Is Faith in Science Identical to Faith in God?

[MSizer]

And if your chair breaks every other day when you sit on it, what perception do you derive then? Do you have the same faith in it?

No. I would repair it.

This is the atheists belief as it pertains to a deity. A new belief pattern is then formed to which the Bigger Faith is put in, this damn chair is going to collapse every other day, so before I put my full weight on it, I better beware.

That is simply prudent. It's not "big F faith" becuase it's based on the evidence collected from previous experience. Therefore it is rational to assume that the chair is not safe, and my faith in that conclusion is "small f faith".

 

[footprints]

No. I would repair it.

Just like people of belief believe they are doing. Only some chairs just cannot be fixed, too much damage is done or just isn't worth the time and effort, when another chair can be repaired quicker and easier or a new chair more easily gained.

So you are the same.

That is simply prudent. It's not "big F faith" becuase it's based on the evidence collected from previous experience. Therefore it is rational to assume that the chair is not safe, and my faith in that conclusion is "small f faith".

Everything can be considered as prudent, even faith in a deity. Religion is based on evidence, just not evidence you personally accept. Where as a person of religious belief puts their "Big F," in one thing, you put your "Big F," into something else.

Again no difference between you where Faith is concerned, it is only your beliefs which change.

 

[gnomon]

Brain wave patterns, images and scans from fMRI and cat scan, blood tests, skin resistance.

Faith is the same, it is only the belief which changes.

Are those supposed to be examples of something?

 

[footprints]

Are those supposed to be examples of something?

Why yes gnomon, but only to people who understand scientific evidence, to anybody else they wouldn't hold much relevance at all.

 

[JMorris]

Why yes gnomon, but only to people who understand scientific evidence, to anybody else they wouldn't hold much relevance at all.

:biglaugh:

 

[gnomon]

Why yes gnomon, but only to people who understand scientific evidence, to anybody else they wouldn't hold much relevance at all.

Then what are they examples of?

 

[footprints]

Then what are they examples of?

If I have to answer that gnomon, you really do not know much.

If you are just asking that to try and prove some intelligence, I would suggest you understand what intelligence is, before trying to prove it.

If you are asking that genuinely, in a sincere effort to learn something, they are all part and parcel of the normal human immune system for want of a better term. The body fighting to make itself better.

 

[gnomon]

If I have to answer that gnomon, you really do not know much.

If you are just asking that to try and prove some intelligence, I would suggest you understand what intelligence is, before trying to prove it.

If you are asking that genuinely, in a sincere effort to learn something, they are all part and parcel of the normal human immune system for want of a better term. The body fighting to make itself better.

I think cell barriers, lymphocytes, immunological memory, etc. would be better examples.

I have genuinely learned something.

That this is a waste of time.

edit: That and that you still did not answer Sunstone's question with anything meaningful.

 

[footprints]

I think cell barriers, lymphocytes, immunological memory, etc. would be better examples.

LOL wrong part of the immune system, albeit part of the same, one pertains to fighting actual diseases, the other to the positive attitude for the body to function at full capacity.

 

[gnomon]

LOL wrong part of the immune system, albeit part of the same, one pertains to fighting actual diseases, the other to the positive attitude for the body to function at full capacity.

Well, I've got time to waste. And considering the current popular topics on the board are whether or not Joseph Smith was a martyr (don't care) or Pat Robertson (don't care) let's continue with this pointless dialogue.

Everything I listed is part of the human adaptive immunological system.

Now that we have that settled.

How are two machines which provide scans of the human body, blood tests, and whatever else it was you listed examples of faith in science and faith in religion. That, after all, was what Sunstone was asking.

 

[ThereIsNoSpoon]

It seems popular these days to argue that faith in science is identical to faith in god. But is that true? Why or why not?

Is it? -> No
Why not? -> Because it is not.

 

[TimothyA]

It seems popular these days to argue that faith in science is identical to faith in god. But is that true? Why or why not?

There is no such thing as faith in science. Faith is belief without proof. Faith in spite of proof is called delusion.

 

[footprints]

Well, I've got time to waste. And considering the current popular topics on the board are whether or not Joseph Smith was a martyr (don't care) or Pat Robertson (don't care) let's continue with this pointless dialogue.

Pointless dialogue comes from pointless people.

Everything I listed is part of the human adaptive immunological system.

It does not include the mental side of how neurotranmitter deficiencies can increase stress, depression, anxiety, all known factors which slow the rehabilition process.

Nor does it include neurotransmitters such as endorphins which is a natual pain killer, enkephalins which restricts pain, gamma amino butyric acid which among other things restricts stress, anxiety, panic and pain in the central nervous system, melatonin which aides rest and recuperation.

Now that we have that settled.

Now I think we do have that settled.

How are two machines which provide scans of the human body, blood tests, and whatever else it was you listed examples of faith in science and faith in religion. That, after all, was what Sunstone was asking.

I am assuming Sunstone had the intelligence to put two and two together.

Simply because these tests can supply empirical evidence. Whereas once it was one persons word against anothers, it isn't any more. We can actually monitor and see what part of the brain is being used, how much is being used, we can measure brain wave patterns, neurotransmitters being generated, test the skin resistance we have actually become pretty clever.

Faith is Faith, it is only the belief which changes.

 

[Sunstone]

Brain wave patterns, images and scans from fMRI and cat scan, blood tests, skin resistance.

Faith is the same, it is only the belief which changes.

Your response is inadequate.

 

[gnomon]

Pointless dialogue comes from pointless people.



It does not include the mental side of how neurotranmitter deficiencies can increase stress, depression, anxiety, all known factors which slow the rehabilition process.

Nor does it include neurotransmitters such as endorphins which is a natual pain killer, enkephalins which restricts pain, gamma amino butyric acid which among other things restricts stress, anxiety, panic and pain in the central nervous system, melatonin which aides rest and recuperation.



Now I think we do have that settled.



I am assuming Sunstone had the intelligence to put two and two together.

Simply because these tests can supply empirical evidence. Whereas once it was one persons word against anothers, it isn't any more. We can actually monitor and see what part of the brain is being used, how much is being used, we can measure brain wave patterns, neurotransmitters being generated, test the skin resistance we have actually become pretty clever.

Faith is Faith, it is only the belief which changes.

Yet you still failed on two counts:
1) Explaining how diagnostic tests and skin resistance are an inherent part of the human immune system and
2) How this failure to actually describe any part of the human immune system is an example of faith in science

Here's a start:
Immune System
You will not find mention of fMRI scans or blood tests.

However, skin barrier is part of the immune system.

Funny that you should try to score a point against me after I actually gave you examples, or rather terms, that are part of the immune system. It's quite apparent your first attempt at providing example was inadequate.

Now, let's forget that example and let you try again.

What examples can you give that faith in science and religious faith are the same?

 

[footprints]

Yet you still failed on two counts:
1) Explaining how diagnostic tests and skin resistance are an inherent part of the human immune system and
2) How this failure to actually describe any part of the human immune system is an example of faith in science

Here's a start:
Immune System
You will not find mention of fMRI scans or blood tests.

However, skin barrier is part of the immune system.

Funny that you should try to score a point against me after I actually gave you examples, or rather terms, that are part of the immune system. It's quite apparent your first attempt at providing example was inadequate.

Now, let's forget that example and let you try again.

What examples can you give that faith in science and religious faith are the same?

Gnomon, if you are going to deny science and the functions neurotransmitters can play in the healing process, then you will live in instant denial of anything which doesn't prove your own belief pattern right.

The knowledge is there, your right whether you accept it or not. Please just ignore the facts that we have the knowledge and technology to measure brain functions these days. If something doesn't support your view, just discard it as many others do.

Cheers.

 

[gnomon]

Gnomon, if you are going to deny science and the functions neurotransmitters can play in the healing process, then you will live in instant denial of anything which doesn't prove your own belief pattern right.

The knowledge is there, your right whether you accept it or not. Please just ignore the facts that we have the knowledge and technology to measure brain functions these days. If something doesn't support your view, just discard it as many others do.

Cheers.

I have not denied anything regarding science nor have I made a single comment regarding neurotransmitters. I've been on a number of medications that effect the neurotransmitters for depression and schizophrenia. I'm well aware of the subject.

Of course we have technology which has gained us knowledge of the brain functions. That has nothing to do with faith in science.

Why do you keep avoiding Sunstone's initial question.

What examples can you give showing that faith in science and faith in religion are the same?

 

[Sunstone]

What examples can you give showing that faith in science and faith in religion are the same?

I too have been patiently waiting for an answer.

 

[gnomon]

I too have been patiently waiting for an answer.

Let's hope our patience is eternal because I think that's how long we'll have to wait.

 

[Willamena]

It seems popular these days to argue that faith in science is identical to faith in god. But is that true? Why or why not?

As ZenZero pointed out, faith is faith.