Is forced army recruitment for men in Ukraine wrong or good ?

[Massimo2002]

I personally think that it is sad but what are your thoughts ?

 

[Balthazzar]

Same in Russia and the US is now auto draft registered in times of war for those between 18 and 26. I think it has been 50 years since it was needed.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I personally think that it is sad but what are your thoughts ?

I find forcing people to kill other people to be immoral and is not a part of a limited government.

 

[crossfire]

I'm against forced conscription.

 

[Balthazzar]

I find forcing people to kill other people to be immoral and is not a part of a limited government.

I won't argue that which is fundamental to any free people, which is to say forced immorality would be a perversion of anything even remotely bearing a semblance of civil society. I am in favor of taking necessary steps in articulating a necessity of need, however and as this relates to times of war and the threat of, measures should be taken to inform all who may be affected by the conflicts themselves. In this case, draft registrations have been automated, other territories have likewise been recruiting their own civilian populations to meet the demands associated with what is now apparently acknowledged to be a mandated reality in upcoming years. With this stated, I am not as enthused as some who have been preparing for what has become decades, if not centuries in the making. I stand contrary to that mindset, being a peace maker, nonviolent, and better equipped for diplomacy. At the end of the day, and even if forced to the front lines, if you don't wish to fight for survival when necessitated, the alternative will still be available and knocking very loudly upon your doors, which for me is a very frightful thought, knowing my aim for peace and distaste for violence.

 

[Tomef]

I personally think that it is sad but what are your thoughts ?

Necessary/unnecessary are the only real terms, where it's 'good' or 'wrong' takes the whole situation into abstract, ethical territory, in which case you'd need to spend a lot more time explaining what you mean with those terms. Was Ukraine invaded? Yes. Has the large number of people volunteering to fight largely dried up? Yes. Are there still a lot of people who can be trained to fight? Yes. Does the army need those additional people to continue fighting off invading forces? Yes. The answer is that conscription is necessary for Ukraine to avoid being occupied by Russia. A tremendous amount of carefully collected evidence demonstrates that Russian occupation means torture, false imprisonment, theft, rape and other sexual violence, murder and cultural genocide.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I personally think that it is sad but what are your thoughts ?

Conscription is slavery. I'm opposed to slavery.

 

[libre]

It's very easy to rationalize from a policy perspective despite how we would feel if we were conscripted.
What else are Ukraine to do?

 

[Balthazzar]

In the States we've been experiencing a rounding up and a dividing of various types of people. I've been placed in larger, but isolated groups of people who would seem to be more expendable than others, many of whom are veterans, others poor, many homeless, many others in rehabilitation, and some are younger and more apt to stand if and when required. I anticipate this (my) demographic to be involved in the conflicts as front liners on the ground and grouped, who have been associated with skilled workers/volunteers for a several years now. I don't think my country is going to escape the more direct impact of war on our soil this time around.

I don't like it, but I have my camera, my laptop and I will likely one day be required to bear arms, but for now my seat belt remains buckled and I wait and continue to anticipate what many in the world are already experiencing.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I personally think that it is sad but what are your thoughts ?

I think if your country is under attack and in danger of losing your national identity I don't think that would have been even an issue to help out with the military in fighting the aggression.

 

[Estro Felino]

I think if your country is under attack and in danger of losing your national identity I don't think that would have been even an issue to help out with the military in fighting the aggression.

A war cannot lost forever.
Also because that former comedian is not president any more...so how do we know people still love him?
He has become an unelected person.

 

[Stevicus]

I personally think that it is sad but what are your thoughts ?

I'm against any form of conscription. If a cause is truly worth fighting for, then people will voluntarily join up and fight by choice, not because someone is forcing them to fight. If there aren't enough volunteers, then maybe it's not a worthy cause.

 

[Tomef]

I'm against any form of conscription. If a cause is truly worth fighting for, then people will voluntarily join up and fight by choice, not because someone is forcing them to fight. If there aren't enough volunteers, then maybe it's not a worthy cause.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. If The Allies and Russia had had to rely on volunteers in WWII, they would have had much smaller armies.

 

[Stevicus]

I wouldn't be so sure about that. If The Allies and Russia had had to rely on volunteers in WWII, they would have had much smaller armies.

Not sure about Russia, but after the attack on Pearl Harbor, the US had swarms of volunteers eager to join up and fight. During the Vietnam War, not so much. However, in the years following, the military started giving more inducements to recruitment, better pay, benefits, money for college, so it became attractive enough that conscription was no longer necessary. Also, there has been a common narrative that America fights for the cause of freedom and democracy in the world, which would be worthy causes to fight for (if only they really were fighting for those causes). But it sounds good, anyway.

I've been hearing that the military has been having difficulty meeting their recruitment quotas in the U.S. I've also read in recent years that the military is concerned about high obesity rates among young Americans of military age, considering this a possible national security issue. Maybe they think they should all be drafted and whipped into better shape.

 

[Balthazzar]

I'm against any form of conscription. If a cause is truly worth fighting for, then people will voluntarily join up and fight by choice, not because someone is forcing them to fight. If there aren't enough volunteers, then maybe it's not a worthy cause.

I tell you how willing and eager I am to leave my family, my son, and my loved ones to go kill people and possibly die while they are alone to face it themselves ...

I'm not!

Not even a little bit, but ... we may be required to pick up arms and when communication is minimal how can we truly know what is best and needed and required?

Training is important. Age qualifications are important. Ability is important and sometimes things are simply needed and often enough they are necessitated and sometimes accommodated by demand.

No one truly likes it, but many are willing to fight still.

 

[Tomef]

Not sure about Russia, but after the attack on Pearl Harbor, the US had swarms of volunteers eager to join up and fight.

Sure, a lot of people volunteered, as in Ukraine (proportionate to the size of the population) but even higher numbers were drafted. The number of conscripts in other allied forces made up an even higher proportion. For all kinds of reasons, many people won't voluntary get involved, regardless of the necessity or rightness of the fight.

 

[shunyadragon]

I personally think that it is sad but what are your thoughts ?

More complex than just sad, Most countries have drafts that are, of course, not voluntary during war including the USA. You narrowed the consideration to Ukraine, what about Russia and other countries involved in the war like now North Korea?

 

[Mock Turtle]

I personally think that it is sad but what are your thoughts ?

Seems to be worse in Russia though, what with raiding prisons for 'volunteers' (including even really nasty people such as rapists and killers), having mercenary armies (where the leader of such seems to have been executed when he got on the wrong side of Putin), or latterly, now getting them from such nice countries as North Korea. And the Ukraine has problems?

 

[Nimos]

I personally think that it is sad but what are your thoughts ?

I think I ultimately agree with you.

But if they don't, they will most likely lose their country, but on the other side, people should be allowed to decide for themselves whether they want to risk their lives or not.

War has always been extremely cruel in that regard and people are even poorly compensated for it.

 

[Nimos]

Not sure about Russia, but after the attack on Pearl Harbor, the US had swarms of volunteers eager to join up and fight. During the Vietnam War, not so much. However, in the years following, the military started giving more inducements to recruitment, better pay, benefits, money for college, so it became attractive enough that conscription was no longer necessary. Also, there has been a common narrative that America fights for the cause of freedom and democracy in the world, which would be worthy causes to fight for (if only they really were fighting for those causes). But it sounds good, anyway.

I've been hearing that the military has been having difficulty meeting their recruitment quotas in the U.S. I've also read in recent years that the military is concerned about high obesity rates among young Americans of military age, considering this a possible national security issue. Maybe they think they should all be drafted and whipped into better shape.

But also at least for the US people, I think they are better off because they have the best and strongest army in the world, that alone gives you some confidence in it.

In Ukraine you might not have the best equipment and even a lack of the stuff you have, I think that makes a huge difference in regards to how willing people are to volunteer as well, you want the best possible odds obviously.