Is Fundamentalism a Religious Movement or a Psychological Disorder?

[blü 2]

A man can press a button and kill millions with a nuclear weapon. Are they gods also? No--they cannot violate the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy to bring into being a universe that cannot, per that Law, exist. THAT's a God power.

See what I mean?

Still no description of any real thing or being that's God. That leaves us where we were, with only imaginary gods to consider.

And to underline that point, you attribute to the imaginary god a quality that itself can only be supernatural / imaginary, namely the power to alter reality independently of the rules of reality ─ which as you know is exactly how I define magic.

Unless, of course, you can tell us how magic actually works, the real method God uses to bypass the rules of reality. But not only can't you answer that, you're not even curious about the answer ─ and that's why you're not looking for it, no?

 

[sooda]

The problem lies in claiming that one is in error because one
must read more. It's an argument to authority. No one will
read a book because someone else requires it to win a casual
discussion point. It's a way to feel like winning because one's
opponent won't comply.

Socialists used to try that with me, ie, one cannot use a definition
of "socialism" found in any dictionary. One must read Marx's
works to truly understand what it is. Essentially, it's...
"I read those, but you didn't. I know stuff, but you don't. Thus I'm right."

Chasing futuristic visions down thru Revelation and Daniel was the work of a clever political operative a century ago.They took over Protestantism in the US and most Christians don't have a clue what happened.

 

[Audie]

The problem lies in claiming that one is in error because one
must read more. It's an argument to authority. No one will
read a book because someone else requires it to win a casual
discussion point. It's a way to feel like winning because one's
opponent won't comply.

Socialists used to try that with me, ie, one cannot use a definition
of "socialism" found in any dictionary. One must read Marx's
works to truly understand what it is. Essentially, it's...
"I read those, but you didn't. I know stuff, but you don't. Thus I'm right."

I got a reading list just the other day, a half dozen
or so books that prove the true divinity of Jesus,
I think they were.

My disinclination to even read the list proves
I have a closed mind.

 

[Audie]

Easy accurate information on the origins of Christian Zionism are readily available.

Have you considered changing your user name?
May I suggest "Tangent"?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

A man can press a button and kill millions with a nuclear weapon. Are they gods also? No--they cannot violate the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy to bring into being a universe that cannot, per that Law, exist. THAT's a God power.

So God can violate the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy?

If that were the case, then we could look to any case where they were violated and find God.

So can you give us a case where this law was violated? Just one will be fine.

 

[sooda]

Have you considered changing your user name?
May I suggest "Tangent"?

LOLOL.. They have been savaged on the basics.. still chasing down thru Revelation and Daniel.. Talk about a tangent.

 

[Spartan]

The gospels don't even agree with each other. Have you read them?

Frequently. But your claim is largely nonsense. Let me give you some examples:

Skeptic: "None of the four Gospels can even agree on simple details on anything of Jesus is life. Take the resurrection for example, each gospel has a different account of what happened that day and none of them share any details in common besides the fact that mary is in all of them"

Response: Actually, all four Gospel writers do believe in the resurrection – they all confirmed it. It’s not the resurrection that’s in question in the Gospels, it’s events that have occurred AFTER the resurrection that skeptics question. In addition, those events are not contradictory, they’re complementary. If you put them on a timeline (How many angels were at the tomb? Answer: What time was it when the first one appeared, and then the second?), then most of the alleged contradictions disappear. Then there’s also what Cold Case Detective J. Warner Wallace calls “literary spotlighting.” One skeptic would argue that John’s Gospel only mentions Mary Magdalene at the tomb. That’s who John focused the “spotlight” on initially. But in reality, John was aware of the presence of other women at the tomb because later in the Gospel John wrote, “So she (Mary Magdalene) came running to the Simon and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, ‘They have taken the Lord out of the tomb and WE (“We”) don’t know where they have put him.’” – John 20:2

Finally, if you had done your due diligence of the Gospels, you would have known about Simon Greenleaf’s “Harmony of the Resurrection Accounts,” which places the resurrection scriptures in chronological order.

Greenleaf’s Harmony of the Resurrection Accounts

 

[Spartan]

The specifics have been supplied, Where are you?

What specific? Lay it out.

 

[sooda]

Historical reliability of the Gospels - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_reliability_of...
Most scholars hold to the two-source hypothesis which claims that the Gospel of Mark was written first. According to the hypothesis, the authors of the Gospel of Matthew and the Gospel of Luke then used the Gospel of Mark and the hypothetical Q document, in addition to some other sources, to write their individual gospels.

 

[Spartan]

So you lack the capacity to face the
fact that I called your silly bluff.

Where is your bold font challenge now?

Ha.

Baloney

If that was the one about Noah that Jesus spoke about then if you've ever debated it you would know there's scientists on both sides of the debate on Noah's Ark.

You should also have done your homework. If you had you might be aware of this interesting quote from about 180 AD:

"The remains of the Ark (of Noah) can be seen to this day in the Arabian mountains." - Theophilus. Theophilus was the Bishop of Antioch. Source: Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs, by David Bercot, referencing the Ante-Nicene Fathers, Volume 2, pg. 117.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Response: Actually, all four Gospel writers do believe in the resurrection – they all confirmed it. It’s not the resurrection that’s in question in the Gospels, it’s events that have occurred AFTER the resurrection that skeptics question.

The original ending of Mark did not include the resurrection.

Edit: the general trend in the Gospels is that the later they were written, the wilder the claims about Jesus become.

With Mark, Jesus is doing his miracles in secret and telling people not to say anything about them. The book ends (in the original ending) with the tomb empty and everyone confused and afraid.

By the time we get to John, Jesus is doing grandiose miracles in full view of everyone and his spirit appears to the disciples to give them instruction for the future.

It's all very telling, IMO. If there was a historical Jesus, we would expect that the accounts closest after his death would be the most reliable, all else being equal, but the earliest account is generally unremarkable and we only get the full miracle-weilding god-man until almost a century after he's dead, and likely after anyone who knew Jesus personally and could have corrected errors in the story was gone as well.

 

[Spartan]

The original ending of Mark did not include the resurrection.

That's incorrect. The resurrection is mentioned in Mark 16:6. It's the later scriptures from Mark 16:9-20 that aren't in the earliest manuscripts. Most study bibles (including the NIV Study Bible that I'm referencing on that) make that distinction.

 

[Audie]

What specific? Lay it out.

oh, so solly, I only put in in bold last time.
but that must have been too hard, so,
just so you wont have to squint...

Luke quotes Jesus, "Everybody kept on eating and drinking, men and women married, up to the very day Noah went into the ark and the Flood came and killed them all"

 

[Audie]

Baloney

If that was the one about Noah that Jesus spoke about then if you've ever debated it you would know there's scientists on both sides of the debate on Noah's Ark.

You should also have done your homework. If you had you might be aware of this interesting quote from about 180 AD:

"The remains of the Ark (of Noah) can be seen to this day in the Arabian mountains." - Theophilus. Theophilus was the Bishop of Antioch. Source: Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs, by David Bercot, referencing the Ante-Nicene Fathers, Volume 2, pg. 117.

I supplied you with what you asked for, and of course
you wont accept it. I'd never think you would have
the capacity for it.

If you did, your world would be shattered.

Did you know you can even go to Turkey and
SEE Noahs Ark, for yourself?

It is a marvel, how profoundly gullible and naive one must be
in order to be a floodie.

A joke lost on a floodie is how totally they trash any
credibility they might have in any other matter.

For an example of just how silly and obvious a fraud
can be, and still fool the floodies, we present:

 

[Jose Fly]

if you've ever debated it you would know there's scientists on both sides of the debate on Noah's Ark.

Only in the same way that there's "scientists on both sides of the debate" on a flat earth.

 

[Audie]

Only in the same way that there's "scientists on both sides of the debate" on a flat earth.

And to think we have a floodie who actually
did not choke to death on writing the words
"due diligence"

Hey watch the vid, but try not to choke.

 

[Spartan]

Only in the same way that there's "scientists on both sides of the debate" on a flat earth.

Nope. Nice try, though.

 

[Spartan]

I supplied you with what you asked for, and of course
you wont accept it. I'd never think you would have
the capacity for it.

If you did, your world would be shattered.

Did you know you can even go to Turkey and
SEE Noahs Ark, for yourself?

It is a marvel, how profoundly gullible and naive one must be
in order to be a floodie.

A joke lost on a floodie is how totally they trash any
credibility they might have in any other matter.

For an example of just how silly and obvious a fraud
can be, and still fool the floodies, we present:

You didn't do what I asked. You didn't cite specific scriptures and you didn't substantiate your claim with credible evidence. And if you want to talk about Noah's Ark start a separate thread on it.

 

[Spartan]

oh, so solly, I only put in in bold last time.
but that must have been too hard, so,
just so you wont have to squint...

Luke quotes Jesus, "Everybody kept on eating and drinking, men and women married, up to the very day Noah went into the ark and the Flood came and killed them all"

Is Fundamentalism a Religious Movement or a Psychological Disorder?

It's also sad for you that you can't bust the resurrection of Jesus Christ. But then a skeptic has to know their own limits.

 

[Subduction Zone]

@Spartan posted:

"You didn't do what I asked. You didn't cite specific scriptures and you didn't substantiate your claim with credible evidence. And if you want to talk about Noah's Ark start a separate thread on it."

I have to ask why? Belief in the Noah's Ark myth long after it was refuted is an example of the topic of this thread.