Is God an egoist?

[mehrosh]

I believe that you believe this.
Ok here's one for you and no offence is meant.
If I had taken you as a newborn, and placed you with a Jewish family, you would almost certainly now be a jew. You would have been brought up in their ways, with their beliefs. You would not accept the Quran.
I was brought up, and was told about christianity. I chose not to believe it. If I had been taken as a baby and placed in a very religious muslim family as yours, I almost certainly would be a muslim now.
The reason(I believe) anyone is what they are, is simply indoctination. What we are told to be the truth, and drummed into us... A form of brain washing, when we are at our most impressionable - A child.

I agree with you, here is what I believe
Everyone is born a Muslim (not the muslim the world knows, rather a person who submits his will to God) but its his parents who tell him their religion, and he ends up accepting or leaving it.

We came to know about some people who lived in a deep jungle in Africa, never saw the world outside, never met anyone. They were totally pure from the world that lived, by chance someone happened to meet them, and they were known to the world, on asking about their beliefs, people came to know that they beleive that there was "a" God they worship.

Inshort, if a baby is born, and you lock him up in a room, he is kept totally isolated from the world, and then observe him after he come of age, he will be worshipping and believing ONE GOD. (ofcourse he will not be knowing anything about science)

I was lucky to be born in a Muslim house, but believe me, I didn't know about Islam, and didn't believe in it, from my heart. I studied Islam and other religions, as well as evolution, and came to this conclusion, that there is No God but One God. The fact remains that I did so only because of science, it was science that helped me find my God after God.Infact 80% of the Quran consists of the Present slot (scientific facts) out of which not even 0.000000000000000001 persent of it has been proven wrong, thus I don't have any doubt in believing that the rest 20% will also be proven by science, as it advances with years,the existence of God, Hell, Paradise and after life

Sorry to dissapoint, but I will never believe what you do. I have thought about my existance in this universe, and have come to my own conclusions, based on scientific fact, and theory. I do however believe that you are happy in your beliefs, and that is good.

Thankyou, well it's your choice.....)(

Thanks once again for reading...
Regards
Mehrosh

 

[michel]

Do you mean to imply, Huff, that God is not going to honor our frubal count when we die? If so, what point to life is left for us?

As Huff said, it depends how you earned your fruballs. It also depends much on the way you have treated your latex doll; I mean, could you look God in the eye, and be happy that you can be happy in the thought that you have treated her with respect, and that you have honoured her ? Has the union been blessed in a church?

I'm sure this has been done to death but...

Imagine I had the power to create a race of beings. Then I gave that race of beings a free-thinking mind. Then I let them use those minds to conjour up hundreds of words for me and hundreds of ways to worship me.

Then I created a place of beauty, and a place of abject misery, and when these creatures reached the end of the plane of existance that I had given them, I would re-create them, to spend the rest of eternity in one of these two new worlds.
The criteria I would use, would be 'Did this creature worship me enough? Did this creature give it's life in order to spread word of me?' - And if the answer is yes, then I'll let this one live the rest of eternity in bliss. If however, this creature denied me, did not worship me, then I'll make this one suffer...forever...

What would that make me. I think it be all of these things...
An egoist
A tyrant
Evil
And none of these things
Loving
Compassionate
Caring

I think, if the god of the bible, or the Quran exist they would fall into this category.
What are your thoughts please?

Now as to the OP, you ain't describing my God. What you are describing is the very distorted image that a lot of people see, when they think of God.

This is almost on a par with those parents who tell their children to "Behave, or I'll call the policeman over to deal with you !"

Personally, I always brought my children up to believe that a policeman was someone who could help you when you were in trouble (as well as scold you if you were naughty).

 

[frg001]

One thing seems certain to me. Someone in the OP is egocentric, and it's not the Abrahamic God. Look at how many first person pronouns are in the OP....

Dude that's the point, I am trying to convey myself as GOD and egoistic in the OP - It obviously worked.
Now in reality, me,. myself, I that is the one true me, who you are addressing... me...(sorry just kidding)

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Dude that's the point, I am trying to convey myself as GOD and egoistic in the OP - It obviously worked.
Now in reality, me,. myself, I that is the one true me, who you are addressing... me...(sorry just kidding)

But you're not God, and that was my point.

 

[frg001]

But you're not God, and that was my point.

? dude, is this a blond moment?

In order to convery the attitude that I was trying to attribute to the god that I was talking about, I assumed the personality of said god.

It's a bit like an actor in a film... Robert Powell isn't really jesus either...! (or indeed James Caviezel to bring it back up to date)

 

[angellous_evangellous]

? dude, is this a blond moment?

Um...

In order to convery the attitude that I was trying to attribute to the god that I was talking about, I assumed the personality of said god.

You mean the god that you created in the OP?

It's a bit like an actor in a film... Robert Powell isn't really jesus either...! (or indeed James Caviezel to bring it back up to date)

Huh?

EDIT: Since we are quite obviously missing eachother here, I will be clearer. Your analogy is a massive failure because it oversimplifies the Christian, Jewish, and Islamic "God" to the point that their theologies are no longer recognizable. You have constructed an egocentristic "god" concept that has nothing to do with any testimonies of the religions of whose God that you try to conclude by analogy to your construct is egocentristic. You begin with a logical fallacy and expect us to responsibly interact with it.

 

[frg001]

Um...

You mean the god that you created in the OP?

Huh?

EDIT: Since we are quite obviously missing eachother here, I will be clearer. Your analogy is a massive failure because it oversimplifies the Christian, Jewish, and Islamic "God" to the point that their theologies are no longer recognizable. You have constructed an egocentristic "god" concept that has nothing to do with any testimonies of the religions of whose God that you try to conclude by analogy to your construct is egocentristic. You begin with a logical fallacy and expect us to responsibly interact with it.

mehrosh managed.
Of course I simplified it. Otherwise I would have had to start "In the beginning...etc" - and I don't think we have time for the whole bible.
Simplified even further...

A god creates some creatures. And damns some to hell because they dont worship him. Thats essentially what some people believe...isnt it.