Is god evil

[Clizby Wampuscat]

No I am not religious. Thats been made clear over and over!

As I said "from what I see saud" not "what I believe"

Ok thanks, why the hostility?

 

[We Never Know]

Ok thanks, why the hostility?

Not hostile. Making a clear point.
And you're welcome.

 

[blü 2]

From what I see being said...
'in the beginning adam and eve would never die, suffer, etc if they did not eat the forbidden fruit. Instead of controlling them god gave them freewill to let them choose for themselves.

Ahm, nowhere ─ nowhere at all ─ in the Garden story does it say Adam and Eve were going to live forever. Nowhere ─ nowhere at all ─ does it say they sinned ─ or that mankind fell ─ or that death entered the world as a result. Instead it very clearly gives THE reason why God pitched them out of the Garden ─ Genesis 3:22-23 ─ to stop them from eating the fruit of the Tree of Life and becoming like God ─ which tells you that they were otherwise always going to die at some stage. God has a very similar motivation for kicking the Tower of Babel over too, you'll recall.

Have you ever wondered what could possibly be bad about knowing good from evil, by the way?

 

[ppp]

I know you think you understood what I said. but what I said is not what you think I said when I said it.

You cannot have it both ways. I cannot both understand what you said, and not understand what you said. I think you know better, but that you don't know better, simultaneously.

 

[ppp]

From what I see being said...
'in the beginning adam and eve would never die, suffer, etc if they did not eat the forbidden fruit. Instead of controlling them god gave them freewill to let them choose for themselves.

They knew the consequences yet chose(that free will thing) to eat the forbidden fruit. So from then on they experienced suffering, death, etc. because of the choice they made.

Was god evil or fair since they were allowed choices, not forced one way or the other?

If I lay an apple on the table and tell you don't eat that or you will die,, but you choose to eat it anyway and die..
Is that my fault? Does that make me evil? Or did you die by your own hand and choices?

Let me make it easy on you. With you as an analog to the god described in the OT and me as Eve (likewise), you are indeed evil.

 

[ppp]

Ok.... If a god does exist.... Is climate change the gods fault or our dumb *** fault for knowing what happens and still doing it anyway?

Not an either/or question. If a god does exist we are analogous to conspirators in a criminal enterprise.

 

[sun rise]

'in the beginning adam and eve would never die, suffer, etc if they did not eat the forbidden fruit. Instead of controlling them god gave them freewill to let them choose for themselves.

Take a passage from ONE religious book. Make the assumption that a literal meaning is the only way to interpret that passage. Bring up a topic that has been debated God knows how many times.

Have YOU stopped beating your wife?

 

[dybmh]

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Have you ever wondered what could possibly be bad about knowing good from evil, by the way?

Eating from the tree gave knowledge of good and evil. Knowing evil would be dreadful. You can't know evil without experiencing it.

 

[InChrist]

If I baked a fresh pie and put it on the table in front of you, the smell going straight to your nose making your mouth water, and I told you not to eat it or you'll die, would that make me evil? Not necessarily, but why in the world would I bake that pie in the first place?

Who says the one forbidden fruit was so tempting and delicious? Not the account in the scriptures. According to the scriptures, there was a paradise of abundant wonderful fruit to choose from. Deliberately eating the only one that was forbidden was pure disobedience and disrespect for God and ungratefulness for all He had provided.

 

[InChrist]

No, what makes it evil is the punishment of death for eating an apple.

The account does not say it was an apple. Sin separates one from God. Death or spiritual separation from God is the understandable consequence.

 

[stvdv]

From what I see being said...
'in the beginning adam and eve would never die, suffer, etc if they did not eat the forbidden fruit. Instead of controlling them god gave them freewill to let them choose for themselves.

They knew the consequences yet chose(that free will thing) to eat the forbidden fruit. So from then on they experienced suffering, death, etc. because of the choice they made.

Was god evil or fair since they were allowed choices, not forced one way or the other?

If I lay an apple on the table and tell you don't eat that or you will die,, but you choose to eat it anyway and die..
Is that my fault? Does that make me evil? Or did you die by your own hand and choices?

I see this question asked many times on RF, and I don't understand that people ask that question. Such an "unreasonable" question IMO. This is how I reason this question

2 options:
a) God exists not
b) God exists

IF 2)a then you simply got your answer

IF 2)b then a little more reasoning needed

We know that people nowadays lie a lot AND also brag a lot AND many suffer from forgetfulness AND lots of fake news AND common sense seems to be lacking

Do you really think that how God is pictured in the Scriptures is anywhere near accurate; meaning +/- 2000 years ago they did not lie, brag, forget and had no fake news?

So, that tells me all I need to know to know the answer to your question, right?
@stvdvRF

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

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Eating from the tree gave knowledge of good and evil. Knowing evil would be dreadful. You can't know evil without experiencing it.

Nonsense. I know the holocaust was evil and I never experienced it.

also, why would knowing evil warrant death?

 

[InChrist]

The fall was all part of the plan.

Whose plan? Not the biblical God. Although, God knew humans would sin, disobedience was not a part of His plan.

 

[dybmh]

Nonsense. I know the holocaust was evil and I never experienced it.

But you can't know the holocaust without experiencing it. All you can know about it now is facts about the holocaust. We're not talking about the ability to know the difference between good and evil. We're talking about biblical "knowing". It's intimate.

also, why would knowing evil warrant death?

The punishment was excessive so that God could be lenient later. That's the what the whole story is about. God wanted to setup a world where created beings ( who are finite and imperfect ) could make mistakes, repent, and receive mercy. It's a good system.

 

[blü 2]

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Eating from the tree gave knowledge of good and evil. Knowing evil would be dreadful. You can't know evil without experiencing it.

If you don't know what's good from what's bad, what would it matter if pain hurts, if hurt indicated nothing to you? You might just pull your eyes out to see what happens, no? You might kill or torture things for fun, why not?

 

[ppp]

Whose plan? Not the biblical God. Although, God knew humans would sin, disobedience was not a part of His plan.

C'mon. Even a human child would know that telling them not to eat the big red fruit would result in them eating the big red fruit. If it wasn't part of his plan then he is no god. Or maybe he is just a Greek god.

 

[dybmh]

If you don't know what's good from what's bad, what would it matter if pain hurts, if hurt indicated nothing to you? You might just pull your eyes out to see what happens, no? You might kill or torture things for fun, why not?

You asked "what could possibly be bad...". I gave you an example. Knowledge of evil is conveyed by experiencing evil. ( Not to be confused with knowing about evil ).

I didn't say there wasn't a benefit from eating from the tree, btw.

 

[Truth in love]

Whose plan? Not the biblical God. Although, God knew humans would sin, disobedience was not a part of His plan.

Well Peter seemed to think so

1 Peter 1:
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

If there was no fall why would we need to be saved?

 

[Brian2]

No, what makes it evil is the punishment of death for eating an apple.

Was that a punishment or just the result of eating it. Sort of like eating a poison fruit results in death.

 

[Brian2]

If I baked a fresh pie and put it on the table in front of you, the smell going straight to your nose making your mouth water, and I told you not to eat it or you'll die, would that make me evil? Not necessarily, but why in the world would I bake that pie in the first place?

Because we are moral beings and needed something to exercise our moral choice with before the next stage, whatever that was to be. (that could be an answer)