Is God pro-abortion?

[night912]

Abortion takes freedom away from a person, that is why I think abortion and giving freedom are not possible at the same time.

So abortion takes freedom away from the person who, supposedly, has the freedom to have the abortion?

If your God is pro freedom, then why would he be against and not allow someone the freedom to have an abortion?

Going by your reasoning, if God is prolife, then nobody would die. No need for the argument that humans have free will (to kill) or the argument that humans are the ones doing the killing. There are killings and/or deaths that your God sanctioned and instances where your God was the killer.

And if you decide to go the route of arguing that there's no actual deaths because spiritual life is eternal, then you basically just defeated your own argument. Because if there are no actual deaths and spiritual life is eternal, then what does that say about the "life" of the fetus, the basis for your argument.

 

[night912]

Because “He is pro-abortion”. If He don’t abort all, he is actually pro-killing for certain people.

Actually, if the God that you believe in is in fact, the same one as the God of the bible, then he is actually pro-killing for certain people. Do you consider your God as being pro-freedom for only certain people? Eventhough the God of the bible certainly does qualify as such, I want to hear your perspective on this.

Ok, in that case it is inaccurate to say they are "pro-abortion". They are actually "pro-abortion for people they don’t like".

 

[1213]

Actually, if the God that you believe in is in fact, the same one as the God of the bible, then he is actually pro-killing for certain people. Do you consider your God as being pro-freedom for only certain people? Eventhough the God of the bible certainly does qualify as such, I want to hear your perspective on this.

I agree, Bible God is pro-killing those who are unrighteous.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

Unrighteous people go against another people’s freedom and do all kind of evil things, which is why I believe they are not allowed to live eternally.

 

[1213]

So abortion takes freedom away from the person who, supposedly, has the freedom to have the abortion?

Abortion is against the freedom of the baby that is murdered.

If your God is pro freedom, then why would he be against and not allow someone the freedom to have an abortion?

People are not allowed to murder others, because it is against the freedom of the person who would be murdered. If people are equally free, you can do with your life what you want, but not with another person’s life. I think everyone has freedom to abort himself, not anyone else, because it would be against others freedom.

Going by your reasoning, if God is prolife, then nobody would die. No need for the argument that humans have free will (to kill) or the argument that humans are the ones doing the killing. There are killings and/or deaths that your God sanctioned and instances where your God was the killer.

Perhaps being pro-life means that God takes out those who are really harmful for life and freedom of others? I accept for example death penalty for murderers, because they have gone against freedom and life and by doing so given the right for others to do so. After all, what ever right you take, you give also to others. There is no reason for you to have some right, without others having the same right.

And if you decide to go the route of arguing that there's no actual deaths because spiritual life is eternal, then you basically just defeated your own argument. Because if there are no actual deaths and spiritual life is eternal, then what does that say about the "life" of the fetus, the basis for your argument.

I believe death of the body is not the end, soul lives after that. but still, people don’t have the right to murder others.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I agree, Bible God is pro-killing those who are unrighteous.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

Unrighteous people go against another people’s freedom and do all kind of evil things, which is why I believe they are not allowed to live eternally.

The God of the Bible is pro-killing many more than just the "unrighteous". He will kill anyone at the drop of a hat for almost no reason at all.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe death of the body is not the end, soul lives after that. but still, people don’t have the right to murder others.

And this is where you take on the burden of proof. Right now a fetus is not looked upon as a human being. It may be "human" but it is not a human in the legal sense. If you want to change the law the burden of proof is upon you. How would you prove that a fetus has the same rights that people do?

 

[ElishaElijah]

So abortion takes freedom away from the person who, supposedly, has the freedom to have the abortion?

If your God is pro freedom, then why would he be against and not allow someone the freedom to have an abortion?

Going by your reasoning, if God is prolife, then nobody would die. No need for the argument that humans have free will (to kill) or the argument that humans are the ones doing the killing. There are killings and/or deaths that your God sanctioned and instances where your God was the killer.

And if you decide to go the route of arguing that there's no actual deaths because spiritual life is eternal, then you basically just defeated your own argument. Because if there are no actual deaths and spiritual life is eternal, then what does that say about the "life" of the fetus, the basis for your argument.[/

The God of the Bible is pro-killing many more than just the "unrighteous". He will kill anyone at the drop of a hat for almost no reason at all.

You’re still here, so...

 

[Subduction Zone]

You’re still here, so...

Of course, and that at best only tells us that your version of God does not exist.

 

[ElishaElijah]

And this is where you take on the burden of proof. Right now a fetus is not looked upon as a human being. It may be "human" but it is not a human in the legal sense. If you want to change the law the burden of proof is upon you. How would you prove that a fetus has the same rights that people do?

Human but not in a legal sense, boy our society is messed up.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Of course, and that at best only tells us that your version of God does not exist.

My God says that He is patient and merciful, doesn’t want anyone to perish but come to repentance. That’s why you’re still alive

 

[Subduction Zone]

Human but not in a legal sense, boy our society is messed up.

Why? Again if you want to make a change the burden of proof is upon you. What makes a fetus a human? How are its supposed rights greater than that of the mother? Can someone just stay in your house indefinitely once you invite them inside?

 

[Subduction Zone]

My God says that He is patient and merciful, doesn’t want anyone to perish but come to repentance. That’s why you’re still alive

Your version of god may say that but his actions tell us the he does not follow that if one reads the Bible as you do. By your own standards your God does not exist. I am alive because your version of God does not exist, not because he does exist.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Why? Again if you want to make a change the burden of proof is upon you. What makes a fetus a human? How are its supposed rights greater than that of the mother? Can someone just stay in your house indefinitely once you invite them inside?

When a society doesn’t value the life of an innocent human and would rather kill it, rather than raise their offspring that society is so morally bankrupt and would have to agree with you, better not to bring a child into that society UNLESS they would come to know Jesus Christ and enjoy Eternal Life with Him.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Your version of god may say that but his actions tell us the he does not follow that if one reads the Bible as you do. By your own standards your God does not exist. I am alive because your version of God does not exist, not because he does exist.

My version of God is the Only God who exists, your version of the God of the Bible is what’s perverted

 

[Subduction Zone]

When a society doesn’t value the life of an innocent human and would rather kill it, rather than raise their offspring that society is so morally bankrupt and would have to agree with you, better not to bring a child into that society UNLESS they would come to know Jesus Christ and enjoy Eternal Life with Him.

Now all you have to do is to show that a fetus is "human". What makes a fetus human so that it merits the same protection that you you or I do? Once again, the burden of proof is upon you. Not even your Bible seems to agree with you and that is the point of this thread.

 

[Subduction Zone]

My version of God is the Only God who exists, your version of the God of the Bible is what’s perverted

No, your version of God clearly does not exist since it is self contradictory. You know this because you refuse to develop a proper test for his existence. That tells that you know your version of God would fail such a test.

And how is my view of the Bible "perverted"? It appears to be much less perverted than yours. At least I recognize it for what it is. I can explain its countless failures. You cannot.

 

[night912]

Abortion is against the freedom of the baby that is murdered.

Why are you ignoring what I said? You're refusing the freedom of the person who is having the abortion. Please address this instead of dodging it.

People are not allowed to murder others, because it is against the freedom of the person who would be murdered. If people are equally free, you can do with your life what you want, but not with another person’s life. I think everyone has freedom to abort himself, not anyone else, because it would be against others freedom.

Congratulations, you just contradicted yourself with your next response. Also, in the same response, you contradicted yourself.

Perhaps being pro-life means that God takes out those who are really harmful for life and freedom of others? I accept for example death penalty for murderers, because they have gone against freedom and life and by doing so given the right for others to do so. After all, what ever right you take, you give also to others. There is no reason for you to have some right, without others having the same right.

According to you, "there is no reason for you to have some right, without others having the same right," and yet, you accept the death penalty. You gave the right to kill, via the death penalty, but take that very same right away from the other person. Contradictory? Yes. Hypocritical? Yes.

 

[night912]

And if you decide to go the route of arguing that there's no actual deaths because spiritual life is eternal, then you basically just defeated your own argument. Because if there are no actual deaths and spiritual life is eternal, then what does that say about the "life" of the fetus, the basis for your argument.

I believe death of the body is not the end, soul lives after that. but still, people don’t have the right to murder others.

Like I said, you defeated your own argument. If you never truly died after the death of your body, then what's the problem? A murderer never murdered anyone if the murderer didn't kill the other person. Another contradictory argument.

 

[night912]

I agree, Bible God is pro-killing those who are unrighteous.

So your God is not pro-life. Got it.

 

[ElishaElijah]

So your God is not pro-life. Got it.

He’s pro-eternal life, pro-choice, pro-freedom and pro-accountability for your actions. When your foolish choices get you in a hole so deep you can’t get out if you call to Him for help He will bail you out. What an Awesome, Mighty God we serve. He deserves all the praise,honor and glory.