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Is Greed An Immoral Or Moral Practice?

Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
Greed is something I despise as it is aligned with ego. Being a philosophical commie I have a contempt for it that may astonish people.

Greed is one of the scourges of the earth thanks to plutocracies and corporate run nations. Greed is something that primarily emanates from self centered thinking and selfish lusts for carnal desires. It seeps into any society like an infection of some sorts because people let it do so.

Greed deludes us into thinking we are special and worth more than what we can possibly be. When greed has settled into a society it preaches that societies's downfall while compassion dies from repeated rejection only to end up withering away in the foundation a society is built upon. Just like the degradation of a corpse in the soil this to is what happens to a community plagued by greed.

Shopping malls, mega-marts and jumbo-sizes. These are the pinnacle achievements of a society ridden with greed.
 

crazedrat

Member
Greed is defined as the DESIRE for excess, indulgence is acting upon the desire.

If a person desires excess I think we can assume they're going to indulge excessively... indulgence in itself is not excessive. Thanks for the clearing up the semantics.
 

s2a

Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
“Greed to me can be defined as: An action derived from selfish desires.

Is greed an accepted part of etiquette?”


Within the US and other nations that revere Capitalism, yes.

“Does it help communities more than it hurts them?”

It “helps” some, and “hurts” others…perhaps a more defining and specified understanding is called for here...

“Why does it seem like people allow greed into their communities?”

Because some see wealth as a desirable objective (for “good”).

“Do only people of spiritual faith believe greed is bad?”

Let us not simply absolve those of a claimed spiritual belief as being of the opinion that “greed is bad” :) In brief reply..."no" :)

“Has greed never been involved in the evolution of communities?”

Of course it has been prime human motivation in many (if not most) instances, but let us bear in mind that “evolution” in and of itself, is amoral.

“How would the world be different if greed wasn't a pat of it?”

If I were an avid viewer of Fox News…I would fell compelled to say “it's more Marxist”.

“Isn't there a difference between innovating for necessity rather than lucrative purposes?”

This is a trick question, no?

“Is it greedy to want to survive?”

Shall we interview those that sacrifice themselves for country, family, or ideology first…or last?

“Why should any people constitute equality if we are all greedy?”

Bad call to presume that “all” are greedy. There are so many instances of recorded human history that indicate again and again that shared knowledge is it’s own reward, with NO expectations of personal reward, nor even personal recognition.

“If we are all greedy nobody is equal to anyone because we all have values that put ourselves above another person according to our justified/unjustified greedy standards.’

The flaw presented in your premise is already demonstrably false and unfounded. Perhaps a renewed and revised universally applicable assumption deserves a better review?

“Shouldn't we just accept that we have superiors and let them do as they wish seeing as greed controls every aspect of life?”

I know. Why would slaves ever question their place? What is their deal anyway?

“Wouldn't it be more prosperous if we invented and invested for social necessity instead of personal gain? Has it ever been tried? What were the outcomes?”

Perhaps the failing is not sourced within the simplicity of improved and personalized financial gains, but in evaluation of a more measured reflection of what constitutes “worth” and/or “value” to the “community” as a whole?

Is a stoplight at a busy intersection within a “community” to be regarded as a source of profit/income, or just a informed measure of enhanced safety?

“Is there a point where it can be greedy to have faith in God?”

Do we have a local televangelist to interview on that question?

“Thank you to everyone who takes the time to answer each of these questions. I do appreciate the help in my quest for knowledge.”

Easy Money (pardon the pun:)).
 

Alex_G

Enlightner of the Senses
Greed to me can be defined as: An action derived from selfish desires.

Is greed an accepted part of etiquette?

Does it help communities more than it hurts them?

Why does it seem like people allow greed into their communities?

Do only people of spiritual faith believe greed is bad?

Has greed never been involved in the evolution of communities?

How would the world be different if greed wasn't a pat of it?

Isn't there a difference between innovating for necessity rather than lucrative purposes?

Is it greedy to want to survive?

Why should any people constitute equality if we are all greedy?
If we are all greedy nobody is equal to anyone because we all have values that put ourselves above another person according to our justified/unjustified greedy standards.
Shouldn't we just accept that we have superiors and let them do as they wish seeing as greed controls every aspect of life?

Wouldn't it be more prosperous if we invented and invested for social necessity instead of personal gain? Has it ever been tried? What were the outcomes?

Is there a point where it can be greedy to have faith in God?

Thank you to everyone who takes the time to answer each of these questions. I do appreciate the help in my quest for knowledge.


Well as Sunstone mentioned in the first reply, we could pretty much define all actions as being derived from 'selfish desires'. (Because who else bar the self actually acts?). This of course leads to the immediate contemplation of free will, which I’ll touch on in a bit.

The interesting thing about the word greed is that it's already a morally loaded term. The intense and selfish desire for something that we commonly label as greed, reflects the very moral judgments that we make. Thus under such a definition or practical usage, the term 'greed' has an inbuilt guarantee of referring to immoral actions. It is the word we use when we refer to selfish actions that have 'gone too far'. The vice rather than the virtue.

You can test this the other way around in your own mind. Trick your brain into telling you how you interpret the term greed. By asking yourself to 'picture a greedy person', you will unlock at least a partial definition for the word in your mind, and a moral perspective revealing your own judgments (good and bad).

The real question is, in a world of selfish actions and 0 sum interactions, where is the moral line between what's right and acceptable, and what is wrong? What things decide that line, and how does it shift and readjust to an ever changing complex world?

I think that greed is a difficult word to use, for reasons I’ve mentioned based on how it projects a judgment onto a selfish act rather than help isolate why such an act might be immoral or not.

In my opinion i think extreme selfishness can be a virtue, both to a person and a society. One only has to think of the great artists and musicians that through their intense devotion and focus have given the world so many great things. Equally think of the tireless entrepreneurs that actually better improve services and products available.

Notice how i used the word 'devotion' rather than greed to semi-humorously make a point.

You might say that this isn’t greed. But why isn’t it? You might associate greed only with things like food, money and wealth for example. But suddenly you've shown how you define greed through the arbitrary objects to be acquired rather than the nature/act of acquiring, which doesn’t seem right. Yet again i think it simple shows how the word greed actually projects one’s own judgments and preferences, such that greed only applies to say, food because that’s what you have already judged to be a less than moral form of extreme selfishness.

The immorality of extreme selfishness happens when it directly or foreseeably harms other people and entities, harm in both physical and mental forms as well as the harming any freedoms and rights.

In a complex world things are not back and white, and most actions are always a cocktail of subtle pros and cons that can often be hard to disentangle. One can forgive the person who meant well but whose actions ultimately caused harm, as opposed to the person who knowingly cause harm through their selfish actions.

Another aspect of selfishness is of course honestly. To expose your selfish preferences to those around you is to be utterly transparent and authentic. In a world of lies and two faced appearances, such open selfishness might appear virtuous and quite morally innocent.

Finally (because this is already too long to have waffled on for), the issue of free will can alter how we look at phenomenon like selfishness and greed. Maintaining free will, greed makes sense in the way it throws blame onto the individual, much like with crime and punishment. But if we in fact lack free will, this judgmental use for the term seems unfair and misappropriated.

One could then look at selfish actions in a more scientific way, an economical way, assessing the patterns of behaviour that occur in different environments, the causes and what their consequences are. In doing so we might find hidden culprits to the problems of greed initially overlooked. Just think of the customer who buys the cakes and doughnuts placed near the door of a supermarket with a 3 for 2 offer on them. Who is most responsible for that purchase, the person (who might not have much control over their own desires) or the supermarket that created the set up?
 

McBell

Unbound
If a person desires excess I think we can assume they're going to indulge excessively... indulgence in itself is not excessive. Thanks for the clearing up the semantics.

Your assumption is your undoing.
Just ask anyone with Crohn's Disease.
 

crazedrat

Member
Your assumption is your undoing.
Just ask anyone with Crohn's Disease.

I have crohn's disease, and I can tell you first hand it is caused by excessive indulgence.


Clearly not!

Please see the passage I quoted above in #15.

Peace, :)

Bruce
>Is greed an immoral moral practice?

That depends on the circumstances.

I quote the Baha'i scriptures:

"t may be said, good and evil are innate in the reality of man, and this is contrary to the pure goodness of nature and creation. The answer to this is that greed, which is to ask for something more, is a praiseworthy quality provided that it is used suitably. So if a man is greedy to acquire science and knowledge, or to become compassionate, generous and just, it is most praiseworthy. "If he exercises his anger and wrath against the bloodthirsty tyrants who are like ferocious beasts, it is very praiseworthy; but if he does not use these qualities in a right way, they are blameworthy."[/SIZE][/I]
--Some Answered Questions, Chapter 57, p. 215.


And indeed, this is why we say truth is relative!

Peace, :)

Bruce

These exceptions the author lists are by their own proclamations not excessive, and therefor not greedy. The rest is just a misuse of the word greed. Greedy is by definition excessive... look it up in the dictionary. Greed is not 'to ask for something more'. Greed is:
greed (grd)
n.
An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs or deserves, especially with respect to material wealth
 
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BruceDLimber

Well-Known Member
These exceptions the author lists are by their own proclamations not excessive, and therefor not greedy. The rest is just a misuse of the word greed.

IOW, you prefer to quibble over terminology.

I found the statement quite clear, thank you!

The point holds.


Bruce
 
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