Koldo
Outstanding Member
If killing 1200 israeli is abhorrent, so is killing 1200 palestinians. One doesn't have a moral ground to condemn the killing of human beings when they are doing much worse.
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Is Hamas Giving Us False Casualties?
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If killing 1200 israeli is abhorrent, so is killing 1200 palestinians. One doesn't have a moral ground to condemn the killing of human beings when they are doing much worse.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Taking hostages was completely inconsequential to whether the invasion would happen.
So?
Why? What would be the point? Why would they risk their lives to save hostages when that may actually result in a more intense bombing?
Laniakea
Not of this world
You make it sound as if "killing of human beings" is the main goal of eliminating terrorist groups.
Ultimately, the saving of lives is the goal.
Laniakea
Not of this world
Uh huh. And how is their current strategy of holding hostages going for them?
And how is the launching of unguided rockets into Israel going? Is it doing anything to help the Gazans?
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Saving what lives? How does taking away many civilian lives achieves this goal?
Koldo
Outstanding Member
You seem to be mistaking the civilians for Hamas troops.
Laniakea
Not of this world
Your question assumes that Hamas is honest in the numbers the put out about civilian deaths. Hamas launches an unprovoked attack against Israel, targets its citizens, kills them in the most brutal ways possible, takes more than 200 hostages, launches unguided rockets at random civilian targets within Israel, and yet you rely on them for accurate numbers when they make claims about how many of their civilians are killed.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
I do not presume their numbers are accurate. But how far off would those numbers need to be to make my criticism of Israel's response impertinent?
Laniakea
Not of this world
Maybe you should direct your criticism towards the Hamas terrorists that use civilians as human shields.
Oh, wow, a Zionist rag wants to deny Zionist crimes. Big surprise. Nothing new. Everyone is lying but Bibi and his gang. They're the sole arbiters of truth here.One would expect quite a bit of variation day to day. In fact, the daily reported casualty count over this period averages 270 plus or minus about 15%. This is strikingly little variation. There should be days with twice the average or more and others with half or less. Perhaps what is happening is the Gaza ministry is releasing fake daily numbers that vary too little because they do not have a clear understanding of the behavior of naturally occurring numbers. Unfortunately, verified control data is not available to formally test this conclusion, but the details of the daily counts render the numbers suspicious.
Similarly, we should see variation in the number of child casualties that tracks the variation in the number of women.
How the Gaza Ministry of Health Fakes Casualty Numbers
The evidence is in their own poorly fabricated figureswww.tabletmag.com
There seems to be some logic to his presentation.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Since when did it become acceptable to kill thousands of human shields just to get to terrorists that are posing no immediate threat?
This Tablet rag is so bloodthirsty, they're advertising a member's only Zoom conference on how to fight ceasefire resolutions. **** them.
www.tabletmag.com
Only sick people want this massacre to continue. That site has no credibility here.
Toxic Ceasefire Resolutions
Municipal governments across the United States are facing tremendous local pressure to pass ceasefire resolutions against Israel as it battles Hamas—and many are succumbing.
Only sick people want this massacre to continue. That site has no credibility here.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Palestine attacked Israel.
Ukraine did not attack Russia.
Is Ukraine putting out propaganda demonizing Russia?
The comparison is rather far fetched.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
My priorities are not directed at post count. I have much more important matters to address.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
This Tablet rag is so bloodthirsty, they're advertising a member's only Zoom conference on how to fight ceasefire resolutions. **** them.
Toxic Ceasefire Resolutions
Municipal governments across the United States are facing tremendous local pressure to pass ceasefire resolutions against Israel as it battles Hamas—and many are succumbing.
Only sick people want this massacre to continue. That site has no credibility here.
The data is there for anyone to read and review. The analysis comes from a credentialed Professor. Your post would be more credible if a fault was found with the reasoning rather than the website where it is posted.
Choosing to ignore facts in favor of a predetermined prejudiced opinion is perfectly natural. The conclusion is false. The cognitive fault apparent. But if it makes you happy to believe the earth is flat...
Palestine exercising the right of self defense .. just like Ukraine .. defense against a foreign occupier .. and of course there is going to be a propaganda Fest somewhere in the Fog of War .. is the nature of the beast.
What we shoulds be doing .. something that is far fetched but should not be -- something that would consiste of integrity and consistency .. is arm the Palestinians like we do the Ukrainians .. help them to defend against the foreign occupier .. who happens to be committing War Crimes - Ethnic Cleansing - Crimes against humanity. .. which is good enough for Bibi's one way trip to the Hague .
What relevance does that have to my post?
Would they?
I doubt Israel will end the genocide.
The hostages are useful to both sides.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
It is increasing international support for Gaza. I suspect this was a main drive behind October 7.
(It was a horrible act and such actions have no justification, but that goes for the reactions from Israel as well. They are only making the situation worse for everyone.)
Spice
StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
I can't go with "Israelis" and "Palestinians." I see it more as Bibi's regime and the Hamas regime. The Israelis and Palestinians are just collateral damage for both regimes.