I agree. Says so in the Bible, but obviously some don't accept and/or believe the Bible.
That would be most people in the world and in all of history.
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Is hell necessary for giving punishment?
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That would be most people in the world and in all of history.
nameless
The Creator
is there such sins which deserves never ending punishment?
it is impossible to do any more sin once reach the hell, never ending punishment should be given only to those who endlessly does sins.
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zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend nameless,
Hell or Heaven are no real places.
They are concepts to be understood.
Nirvana is HERE-NOW!
Those who suffer due to any cause are living in hell and those who are happy are in heaven. The buddha is neither in heaven or in hell as he is HERE-NOW and is neither swaying towards either heaven or hell BUT just in the centre.
Love & rgds
Hell or Heaven are no real places.
They are concepts to be understood.
Nirvana is HERE-NOW!
Those who suffer due to any cause are living in hell and those who are happy are in heaven. The buddha is neither in heaven or in hell as he is HERE-NOW and is neither swaying towards either heaven or hell BUT just in the centre.
Love & rgds
Evandr
Stripling Warrior
I believe that the realms of God, what most people call Heaven, do exist and anywhere outside those realms can be called Hell.
It is impossible to reconcile the concept of endless external punishment inflicted by forces outside of our control with the concept of the perfect Love and absolute power associated with God.
It is my understanding that mercy cannot rob justice, therefore, given that a person guilty of sin cannot answer the demands of justice for their own sins, a mediator must be required. I believe that Christ was given to atoned for sin and thusly became a mediator, being able to provided a second path to eternal exaltation around the demands of Justice without robing justice of its due. It is my belief that those who fail to be found worthy of the atonment must answer the demands of justice themselves (for their own sins), a task they cannot accomplish by themselves and that constitutes an eternal bar from the presence of God.
Now, here is how this applies to this thread, Hell is not a place but a condition of eternal MENTAL torment inflicted by one own self when one realizes that they failed the final test (mortal probation) after coming so close yet are eternally barred from the presence of God because they failed to keep the commandments set forth by Jesus Christ after having received them. It is called eternal punishment because God is eternal, the judgment is eternal, the condition is eternal and, after all is said and done, those who are said to be in Hell are those who are living eternally with the knowledge of their own failure when success was so close and so easy to obtain.
This viewpoint also allows for the Love of God to prepare a place for those who are in such a state of anguish to dwell. Given that the anguish is internal and mental in nature, the external condition, or the place of final progression, can reflect the Love of God and be an otherwise glorious place while still falling far short of that place wherein our Heavenly Father dwells.
I believe that only those who choose, by their own accord, eyes wide opened to all the remifications of such a choice, to deny the divinity of God after having a perfect witness and knowledge of God, as did Lucifer and His followers, will be denied any state of glory and be cast out as sons of perdition into outer darkness. The Love of God toward His children is far too great for Him to inflict that condemnation on any of His children against their will- Would you do that to someone that you love?
nameless
The Creator
what if there was no jesus, would there be hell?
if hell is only a condition of eternal MENTAL torment inflicted by one own self when one realizes that they failed the final test, then how and where the sinners are punished?
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Ozzie
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Hell is a place for externalising the pain associated with punishment.
Beaudreaux
Well-Known Member
Well, as described in the Bible, it is a punishment without end where people burn in a "lake of fire" that is never quenched. I'd say that's slightly more intense than my hangnail.
Beaudreaux
Well-Known Member
If one has no memory of their previous life, how can they learn from it?
Evandr
Stripling Warrior
This is where the vast majority of Christians get it wrong. The concept that God is going to "Punish" a person for sin is wrong! Our Heavenly Father does not delight in, practice, or met out physical pain after we pass from this earth life. That would be inconsistent with His perfect and matchless love for everyone, However, justice will demand a separation of the righteous from the sinner but that does not mean that one end of that separation has to be some eternal torture chamber.
There is a place prepared for those who cannot abide the presence of God because of how they fared in this their mortal probation. It is a good and glorious place (I believe that there are several) but it still does not begin to compare with that place where God dwells. This is where the warning about mental anguish, anguish so great that is "equated" with the pains suffered by being cast into a lake of fire and brimstone, comes in. "A Good Place" can fall far short of "A Good as it gets Place" and still be far better than "A Bad as it gets Place"
There is nothing a person can do in mortality that would warrant the eternal penal consequence interpreted by most of Christianity. Not only does it not make sense but to punish someone by intentionally inflicting pain onto them for eternity would be unimaginably unjust. That would be like taking someone out and inflicting 10,000 lashes every day for the rest of eternity for getting the answer to a test question wrong.
Think about it, what can a person do or what sin can they commit in mortality that will not end up as little more than the results of a trial that has no bearing on anything other than to demonstrate where the test taker stands. Everyone, bar none, victims and perpetrators alike will stand before God. By that time the physical effects of all the foolishness and sin of mankind will amount to nothing save to have created the records (known in the scriptures as the Book of Life) that will determine a person's final standing in the eternities.
The power and presence of God is a marvelous thing and cannot be inherited by any who are not worthy in every way to receive it as a child and heir of God. In fact, because God is perfect in love, power and wisdom, knowing from all eternity to all eternity, how can it be said that He does not already know where we will end up, so why all this testing in the first place? The answer is that we have to be shown, by our own experience, our own eternal condition for our own acquired understanding. Our Heavenly Father loves each and every one of us equally and perfectly, so perfectly in fact that He will not even ask us to accept final determination by his word alone, the justice of it, by necessity, is proven to us by our actions in this mortal probation.
To put it simply, if you fail the test you won’t get the job but you also won’t be eternally beaten either. Damnation is the state of being eternally barred from any further progression even though your stopping point is a glorious place. But remember, the mental anguish associated with such damnation is nothing to be trifled with; in fact, it is so serious a condition that being denied the presence of God is called spiritual death. This is the same condition that was referred to by God when indicating to Adam and Eve what the consequences of their eating of the forbidden fruit would be. Fortunately Jesus Christ overcame the death of the body for us all and provided a path around justice so that we, by our obedience, could circumvent the demands of justice and avoid the second death or death of the spirit.
Only those who choose to go, as did Lucifer and His followers, or those incapable of abiding any degree of glory, those who would openly re-crucify God after having a perfect knowledge of His divinity, will become sons of perdition and be cast into outer darkness with him because in the end, mercy cannot rob justice. Those numbers will be relatively few and will have little to do with what they did in mortality.
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logician
Well-Known Member
Never been there, have you?
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Never been to north Jersey, eh?
chinu
chinu
Truely, there is no hell other than this world.If it written in holy books that you will be fried in the oil as a punishment for this sin, this is also right because sometimes we can see some small insects fried in the oil when frying something else.
So this is hell which one has to bear after death means in next births like insects or animals etc...
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Chinu
The teaching of hell is just a reflection of character and ethical weakness of the person that teaches it.
Spot on! Great answer.
Vast majority of Christians won't go wrong, as long as God exists.
That's a personal speculation out of your own faith.
It's not a matter of faith, it's a matter of character.
If a person believes and condones the concept that the god they love will torture sentient beings forever, or set up a system that allows them to experience eternal suffering, then this is a deficiency in empathy. People who believe they can be happy in heaven with such a god have revealed several unflattering aspects of their character.
It's inescapable that what a person believes and condones reveals quite a bit about who they are.
Genius exists. Please have a lot of children.
Nadia Faiazova
Member
Hi! The word "hell" is not biblical. Bible talks about Hades. This term is associated with the sort of death from which there will be a resurrection. (Revelation 20:13). But God's Word has never spoken about people's eternal sufferings in the fire as punishment from God. This teaching is not supported by Bible. "And they have built the high places of To′pheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hin′nom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart." (Jeremiah 7:31)
lilmama1991
Member
i dont think hell is for punishment because its just a grave. if that was true than that means everbody that's currently dead is being punish