Is Hell Really Fair?

[shmogie]

So the Bible is wrong. Okay, I can go along with that.



Yeah, if I believed in the god of Abraham I'd pass over it in my cherry picking as well.


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The Bible isn´t wrong. Those who know a little about it, or supeficially a little more about it, accept poor theology as what the Bible says.

If you actually studied the Bible, used tools like a solid concordance and more than one translation, sought the true meaning of a verse by comparison to it other verses elsewhere on the same topic, you get a clear picture of what is said, and what is meant.

Many rely on what others say is meant.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

"Hell as we know it is a medieval concept, not what early Christians and Jews believed"
Are you sure? Did you read Luke 16:19-31 ?

And what about these biblical passages? :
Revelation 14:9-11
“If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
10 he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

Revelation 20:10
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Mark 9:45-46
And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46 Where their worm(soul) dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Matthew 8:12
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Did you ever read the bible?

Yes, I have read the bible, as well as considerable amounts of history regading early Abrahamic beliefs. And while I have neither the time or energy to get into a lengthy debate, Jews overall did not (and do not) believe in a hell place at all, but a period of intense judgement everyone undertook then all go to the same 'beyond.' Early Christians took hell (a Germanic word) concept from pagans much later. Prior, the fires being referred to are gehenna, a burning rubbish heap, was the thing which burned eternally, not the people within it, which were destroyed.
Hence scriptures which describe death akin to a dreamless sleep and that the dead know nothing.

 

[BSM1]

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Aside from the claim that god knows what's best for us so we shouldn't question his decisions,

DO YOU THINK THAT SPENDING AN ETERNITY SUFFERING IN HELL FOR A MISTAKE MADE ON EARTH IS FAIR?

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God does:

Matthew 25;46
"And these will go away into eternal punishment"​

I don't

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And your opinion?

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WHAT did you do?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

@Skwim , do you know the Hebrew word that is translated Hell into English. It is Sheol.

With that in mind, read Ecclesiastes 9:10. (Go to BibleHub, to read this.)

Who goes to Hell? Everyone.

In Revelation 20:13-14, it says “...Hell gave up those dead” in it. And then “Hell [is] thrown into the Lake of Fire.”

Hell ‘gives up’ it’s dead by means of...what, do you think? Anyways, there’s no more dead in it. Then, it’s thrown into the L of F. (It can’t be the Lof F, can it?)

Is this literal? Well, is death something you can burn? Because it, too, is thrown into the L of F.. What would that mean?

I think we’ve spoken about this before....am I wasting my time?

 

[Terry Sampson]

"Is Hell Really Fair?"

We get to vote on it? Neat!

 

[calm]

Yes, I have read the bible, as well as considerable amounts of history regading early Abrahamic beliefs. And while I have neither the time or energy to get into a lengthy debate, Jews overall did not (and do not) believe in a hell place at all, but a period of intense judgement everyone undertook then all go to the same 'beyond.' Early Christians took hell (a Germanic word) concept from pagans much later. Prior, the fires being referred to are gehenna, a burning rubbish heap, was the thing which burned eternally, not the people within it, which were destroyed.
Hence scriptures which describe death akin to a dreamless sleep and that the dead know nothing.

I'm asking you again, have you read the Bible?
Have you missed my biblical passages or?

Can you explain me Luke 16:19-31 ?

And what about these biblical passages? :
Revelation 14:9-11
“If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
10 he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

Revelation 20:10
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Mark 9:45-46
And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46 Where their worm(soul) dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Matthew 8:12
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[shmogie]

But of course you are aware that most Christians don't believe that at all. In fact, most Christians (ask the Catholics) agree that you can be quite unrighteous, and commit quite a lot of sins, so long as you believe in Jesus and ask forgiveness. Those same Christians would also tell you that you can live a perfectly righteous life, committing practically no sins at all, yet not deserve eternal life for simply failing to believe in Jesus.

You are essentially correct. Since nothing a person can possibly do can meet the standard of "goodness¨ required by God, an individuals ¨works¨ mean nothing toward salvation.

You left out the critical word repent. To repent means to change the direction of your life, to change your ways, to to live a life in harmony with God.

¨Believing in Jesus" does not provide salvation.

From the beginning, blood was required to be spilled as part of the process of forgiveness.

Blood because it illustrates the extreme seriousness and cost of wrong doing.

Blood is still required, a sacrifice is still required to be right with God.

You must accept the spilled blood of Christ as the sacrifice to ameliorate your sin.

You must be justified before God by the sacrifice of Christ, Christs righteousness must be imputed to you as your life.

This is why He said "I am the resurrection and the life no man comes to te Father but by me".

If one does not confess, repent, and accept the sacrifice of Christ personally applied, one cannot be in harmony with God, and thus saved.

Jim Morrison said "no one gets out of here alive¨, it applies to those who do not chose and accept the only way out.

Sorry, but that is the way it is.

 

[Prestor John]

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Aside from the claim that god knows what's best for us so we shouldn't question his decisions,

DO YOU THINK THAT SPENDING AN ETERNITY SUFFERING IN HELL FOR A MISTAKE MADE ON EARTH IS FAIR?

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God does:

Matthew 25;46
"And these will go away into eternal punishment"​

I don't

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And your opinion?

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Hell is a temporary condition placed on the unrepentant.

Everyone (save those who commit the unpardonable sin) will eventually be forgiven of their sins, receive salvation and find a place in God's Kingdom.

God's plan for His children is completely fair.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I'm asking you again, have you read the Bible?
Have you missed my biblical passages or?

Can you explain me Luke 16:19-31 ?

And what about these biblical passages? :
Revelation 14:9-11
“If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
10 he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

Revelation 20:10
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Mark 9:45-46
And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46 Where their worm(soul) dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Matthew 8:12
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

I already replied to both your questions. Take it or leave it.

 

[calm]

I already replied to both your questions. Take it or leave it.

I think it's a pity that you ignore the scriptures.
But this shows that you've never read the Bible before, otherwise you'd know that Luke 16:19-31 clearly describes hell.

 

[ChristineM]

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Aside from the claim that god knows what's best for us so we shouldn't question his decisions,

DO YOU THINK THAT SPENDING AN ETERNITY SUFFERING IN HELL FOR A MISTAKE MADE ON EARTH IS FAIR?

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God does:

Matthew 25;46
"And these will go away into eternal punishment"​

I don't

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And your opinion?

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Hell, the modern christian version of hell at least is a the concept of Hieronymus Bosch and Dante Alighieri. Most christians are blissfully unaware that their greatest weapon is a conglomeration of an artist and a comedy poem.

And for saying that do i deserve an eternity in this colourful playground? Some christians would say yes, burn in hell, a threat i have heard many times

 

[TransmutingSoul]

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Aside from the claim that god knows what's best for us so we shouldn't question his decisions,

DO YOU THINK THAT SPENDING AN ETERNITY SUFFERING IN HELL FOR A MISTAKE MADE ON EARTH IS FAIR?

View attachment 33214

God does:

Matthew 25:46
"And these will go away into eternal punishment"​

I don't

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And your opinion?

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It does take maturity to finally understand that there are consequences for the choices we make.

As children, it is mostly about self.

Regards Tony

 

[12jtartar]

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Aside from the claim that god knows what's best for us so we shouldn't question his decisions,

DO YOU THINK THAT SPENDING AN ETERNITY SUFFERING IN HELL FOR A MISTAKE MADE ON EARTH IS FAIR?

View attachment 33214

God does:

Matthew 25;46
"And these will go away into eternal punishment"​

I don't

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And your opinion?

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Skwim,
Before you condemn anyone about anything, you should make sure that you know exactly what the words mean, ad tat is especially true of things in the Holy Bible.
You seem to be condemning The Almighty God, who has all lives in His hands, Not Wise!!!
You are right about one thing, it would be unfair to condemn person to everlasting torture, for what a person did, for the few years of a person’s life. The Almighty God would not do that, and He does NOT say that He is going to do that. The mistake is yours, because you do not understand why the Bible says.
The Bible does say that many are going to receive everlasting punishment, but what does the Bible say, is the everlasting punishment??? The punishment that an evil one gets is Everlasting DEATH, that is what the punishment is, 2Thessalonians 1:6-10. Make sure you read and meditate on what is said in these Scriptures. People who do not know God and who do not obey the lord Jesus will get everlasting death, The Second Death, mentioned at Revelation 20:11-15. Notice here also The Bible says e second DEATH. The reason for a Second death is; the first deaths a promise of a resurrection, for the vast majority who have died, John 5:28,29.

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Aside from the claim that god knows what's best for us so we shouldn't question his decisions,

DO YOU THINK THAT SPENDING AN ETERNITY SUFFERING IN HELL FOR A MISTAKE MADE ON EARTH IS FAIR?

View attachment 33214

God does:

Matthew 25:46
"And these will go away into eternal punishment"​

I don't

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And your opinion?

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[Skwim]

I think it is fair, but I don’t think anyone feels, suffers, or does anything in the hell, because:

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell (Gehenna).
Matt. 10:28

Then how about

Matthew 18:6-9
6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
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You don't think that someone who is cast into everlasting fire or into hell fire doesn't suffer? If no suffering takes place then what's the purpose of the everlasting hell fire in the first place?

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[TransmutingSoul]

Then how about

Matthew 18:6-9
6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
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You don't think that someone who is cast into everlasting fire or into hell fire doesn't suffer? If no suffering takes place then what's the purpose of the everlasting hell fire in the first place?

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It could be hell is the knowledge of offering posts such as these.

At this time it may not be seen as hell, but that is the reality one chooses.

Regards Tony

 

[Milton Platt]

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Aside from the claim that god knows what's best for us so we shouldn't question his decisions,

DO YOU THINK THAT SPENDING AN ETERNITY SUFFERING IN HELL FOR A MISTAKE MADE ON EARTH IS FAIR?

View attachment 33214

God does:

Matthew 25:46
"And these will go away into eternal punishment"​

I don't

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And your opinion?

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What's worse, is that even if you never committed any "mistakes" you could still could go to hell as punishment for a crime committed by two people thousands of years ago.

 

[Skwim]

Yes, hell is fair.
Everything God does is fair.

Yeah just ask those taken into slavery and beaten until they die after two days if such behavior isn't fair. Of course it's fair, god approves it.
(Exodus 21:20-21)

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[calm]

Yeah just ask those taken into slavery and beaten until they die after two days if such behavior isn't fair. Of course it it's fair, god approves it.
(Exodus 21:20-21)

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Everything he does, whether it's good or evil is always good. For he always acts justly.

 

[Skwim]

It could be hell is the knowledge of offering posts such as these.

OR, hell could be eternal suffering in fire as noted in the Bible.

Revelation 21:8
8 But those who are cowards, those who refuse to believe, those who do terrible things, those who kill, those who sin sexually, those who do evil magic, those who worship idols, and those who tell lies—they will all have a place in the lake of burning sulfur.


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Hell is a temporary condition placed on the unrepentant.
God's plan for His children is completely fair.

Hardly.

Revelation 20:10
10 And he (the one who tricked these people) was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur with the beast and the false prophet. There they would be tortured day and night forever and ever.

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[Evangelicalhumanist]

Sorry, but that is the way it is.

You mean, "that's the way you believe it is." I do not happen to believe that, as it seems perfect nonsense to me. Blood isn't' some miraculous thing, you know. It's no more miraculous, nor necessary, than sputum, urine and bile.