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Is Homosexuality a illness? And how to heal?

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No. That is simply wrong.
As long as an underage person has a parent there is no reason to assign legal responsibility. The parent might consent to something, but that is not the same. Tom


there is reason to assign the right if you as a parent want to give reparative therapy to your child without them knowing it was from you. it's not legal, but that's how they can justify it legally.
 

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No, they really don't. It takes a long regimen of hormones to effect a transition.

in trans-gay therapy, the high concentration estrogen is injected straight into the brain. the mental effect is almost immediate. ask a transition doctor. sometimes they do this for trans who suffer gender dysphoria.
 

columbus

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there is reason to assign the right if you as a parent want to give reparative therapy to your child without them knowing it was from you. it's not legal, but that's how they can justify it legally.
I think you are making it up. You can not legally justify something illegal. You don't know what you are talking about.
Tom
 

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Certain body changes begin to occur approximately one to two months into it, up to about six months....

that's why its almost impossible to stop, by the time they realize what has happened the transition has begun or even completed. that's why there is almost no choice. even if you do realize it in time, very few doctors know how to counteract it. unlike gynocomastia, there is no simple surgery to fix it and even gynoco surgery does not fully restore the chest.
 

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I think you are making it up. You can not legally justify something illegal. You don't know what you are talking about.
Tom

what are you talking about? do you think that a parent who is homophobic would not move the earth to transform their child into a hetero child?
 

columbus

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what are you talking about? do you think that a parent who is homophobic would not move the earth to transform their child into a hetero child?
No.
I happen to have some experience in this. My parents were very unhappy about my orientation. But drugging me and having my gender "reassigned" was never even considered.
You are full of it.
Tom
 

Shadow Wolf

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in trans-gay therapy, the high concentration estrogen is injected straight into the brain. the mental effect is almost immediate. ask a transition doctor. sometimes they do this for trans who suffer gender dysphoria.
Are you serious, or trolling? Injected straight into the brain? There are pill that can be taken, patches that can be applied to the skin, and even injections, but the injections is either in the arm or butt. And, no, the effect is not almost immediate, not unless you consider a week or two almost immediate.
Go ahead, ask a doctor who works with those with gender dysphoria. Go, do it!

that's why its almost impossible to stop, by the time they realize what has happened the transition has begun or even completed. that's why there is almost no choice. even if you do realize it in time, very few doctors know how to counteract it. unlike gynocomastia, there is no simple surgery to fix it and even gynoco surgery does not fully restore the chest.
Counteract it? Stopping the hormone regiment works pretty well, unless you have consistently been on a combination of both estrogen and anti-androgens for months, and even then most things revert back.
And it takes years for a transition to be "completed." And even if someone identifies as a male, it doesn't matter if you raise them a girl, prevent male puberty, and give them estrogen in time so they have a more normal female puberty, they will still identify as male (again, reference David Reimer and the many intersexual people assigned female at birth who do not identify as female).
 

Shadow Wolf

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what are you talking about? do you think that a parent who is homophobic would not move the earth to transform their child into a hetero child?
Because there is not a single doctor who would agree to do it, for one. And, for two, very, very, very typically, pretty much always, if someone is homophobic they are transphobic as well. Actually, it is not unusual for someone to be accepting of homosexuality but not gender dysphoria, but very rarely do you find people who are accepting of transsexuals while being homophobic.
 
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No.
I happen to have some experience in this. My parents were very unhappy about my orientation. But drugging me and having my gender "reassigned" was never even considered.
You are full of it.
Tom

if you say that then you don't know homophobic parents.

this woman, jessica dutro, killed her 4 year old son because she THOUGHT he was gay. over several days, she and her boyfriend beat him so bad he died. that kind of parent would not think twice about giving parental consent to someone else to give gay reparative therapy. after all, turning him female is better than taking his life, isn't it?

http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/03/28/mom-beat-son-death-gay-jessica-dutro-case/

 

Shadow Wolf

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this woman, jessica dutro, killed her 4 year old son because she THOUGHT he was gay. over several days, she and her boyfriend beat him so bad he died. that kind of parent would not think twice about giving parental consent to someone else to give gay reparative therapy. after all, turning him female is better than taking his life, isn't it?
You can't change someone's gender identity like that. It just doesn't work.
And there is not one single doctor who would agree to do it. NONE. AT ALL. Zip. Zero. Zilch. You can search until the end of the world, you won't find a single doctor who will recommend or perform a gender-change procedure just because the parents don't want to have a homosexual child.
 

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You can't change someone's gender identity like that. It just doesn't work.
And there is not one single doctor who would agree to do it. NONE. AT ALL. Zip. Zero. Zilch.... a single doctor who will recommend or perform a gender-change procedure just because the parents don't want to have a homosexual child.

a gay boy daniel must become danielle because her parents insist that he not marry a prince instead of a princess.

"Seven year old kids ARE NOT CONSENTING TO THIS. It is THEIR PARENTS who are DOING SO. Stop them from transgendering boys who WANT TO MARRY A PRINCE. Speak up for seven year-old Daniel. SPEAK UP FOR DANIEL. This is BULL****!"

https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2013/10/12/the-making-of-a-transgender-child/

 

Shadow Wolf

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a gay boy daniel must become danielle because her parents insist that he not marry a prince instead of a princess.
From your source's source:
When Danielle Sheridan got home from an appointment in April, the 7-year-old went straight to her bedroom and threw her boy clothes into garbage bags.


At the meeting with a gender specialist, her parents had allowed Danielle, who was born Daniel, to make a decision.

“We basically gave her a choice,” said Leah Sheridan, a Keswick, Ont., stay-at-home mom. “You can go home and live as Danielle, or you can go home and live as Daniel.”
It's actually good the she felt comfortable enough with her parents to come out. I was never comfortable enough or felt safe enough coming out to mine as a child.
 

The Hammer

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a gay boy daniel must become danielle because her parents insist that he not marry a prince instead of a princess.

"Seven year old kids ARE NOT CONSENTING TO THIS. It is THEIR PARENTS who are DOING SO. Stop them from transgendering boys who WANT TO MARRY A PRINCE. Speak up for seven year-old Daniel. SPEAK UP FOR DANIEL. This is BULL****!"

https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2013/10/12/the-making-of-a-transgender-child/


Read your own article, both the article you posted and the actual linked article, in no way are the parents "forcing" this child to be anything other then what she has stated she feels she is. After numerous talks with multiple doctors, and therapists , the decision was made that she was transgender. The people I have talked to that are transgendered all talk about similar wants and feelings, while being as young as six and seven. Now, the difference is there is much more awareness and avenues, for these people to get help and transition if they wish. There is no "must become" this is about a child who made a decision on their own, as stated several times, over and over, through both articles.
 

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It's actually good the she felt comfortable enough with her parents to come out. I was never comfortable enough or felt safe enough coming out to them as a child.

read again. danielle wanted to marry a prince because he is gay. her parents wanted her to marry a princess because then he would be straight and they would not have transgender him.
 

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There is no "must become" this is about a child who made a decision on their own, as stated several times, over and over, through both articles.

but then how do you account for the quote i posted by someone who does not want gay boys transgendered?
 

The Hammer

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but then how do you account for the quote i posted by someone who does not want gay boys transgendered?

That is one person's outside opinion, that is not the opinion of the person transitioning, which in the end is all that matters. Daniel specifically stated to parents and a therapist, I want to be Danielle, a girl, and they said ok, that is your choice.
 

The Hammer

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read again. danielle wanted to marry a prince because he is gay. her parents wanted her to marry a princess because then he would be straight and they would not have transgender him.

Nothing in this article states any sort of homophobia or homophobic intentions in anyone, other then you, for attempting to cast this in that light.

Yes, she wanted to marry a prince, but it was more then that. It was about a boy, who did not feel right as a boy, who felt like deep down they were a girl, and that is ok. There is no force involved. You can't seem to differentiate between that actually narrative (prior to the link), and someone's misguided opinion (after the link).
 
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