Is Homosexuality a illness? And how to heal?

[viole]

Homosexual tendencies can be cured and treated.

What about heterosexual tendencies?

Do you think you can be turned into a gay?

Ciao

- viole

 

[leibowde84]

You want scientific evidence..

1. Let's talk about "Darwin's theory of Evolution" which was proposed by a scientist called Charles Darwin. They figured that it's an invalid theory and some new scientists proved it wrong.

2. "The big bang theory" and "The big crunch theory". Various explanations and beliefs of "the beginning of the universe" not sure which one is right which one is wrong. And so on…

Human have limited abilities. Human's assumptions, predictions and suggestions not necessary accurate.






* Why I think homosexual is a sin?

There is no reliable evidence of scientists to consider homosexual a biological or a natural behavior from nature. So, might as well consider it a "sin" from a social and religious prerspectives.

you can also read : http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c040.html




Let's look at the history and let's talk from a religious aspect.

From Quran:
* (And [We had sent] Lot when he said to his people, "Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds?) "verse 80"
* (Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people.")"verse 81"

http://quran.com/7


# Here are definitions of some words you might want to know :

commit:

1. To do, perform, or perpetrate: commit a murder.

Transgressing:

1. to violate a law, command, moral code, etc.; offend; sin.


Even wikipedia used the word "committed" to people who involoved in homosexual relationships.



# Also, the Presbyterian Church of Australia , declared homosexual practices to be sin in 1994.

#Here is the history that proves homosexual is a sin. If you are Christian or Jewish there are evidence from Bible and Torah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah

I hope it's enough.

1. Evolution: The modern theory of evolution has not been proven wrong. It is a scientific theory, supported by repeated experimentation and observation and has been used (even by Darwin himself) to make predictions about what will be discovered in the future. Although the ToE has changed since Darwin, it has most certainly not been "disproved" in any way shape or form. But, I am an open minded person, so I would be willing to look at any supporting evidence you have to back up this seemingly erroneous unsubstantiated claim.

2. The Big Bang is part of the Big Crunch theory. They can both be true. The Big Crunch theorizes that the universe is in a constant expansion/compression state ... back and forth, infinitely. True, we don't know YET whether it is accurate, but that's the great thing about science. It goes off the evidence and doesn't "jump to unsubstantiated conclusions" based on nothing more than faith and speculation. The lack of explanation in no way provides support for the existence of God. That is merely an argument from ignorance ... a well-known logical fallacy.

I agree that human knowledge is vastly limited. But, how do you go from this straight to God. How can you defend jumping to this conclusion for the mere fact that other explanations are not yet available? Seems pretty darn foolish.

 

[leibowde84]

Homosexual tendencies can be cured and treated just like any mental condition.

Supporting evidence from an unbiased (non-religious/prejudicial) source, please?

 

[sojourner]

1) studies have shown that "treatments" don't work and cause emotional problems.
2) Homosexuality isn't a "mental condition." Mental conditions are outlined in the DSM. Look it up. Homosexuality ain't in there, hence, not a "mental condition."
3) Homosexuality isn't a "tendency." It's a normal, sexual orientation.

 

[sojourner]

i'm not doing any ministry. i'm just a messager of intercession world, that's all.

That's a ministry.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Homosexual tendencies can be cured and treated just like any mental condition.

How can you cure someone who is not ill?

 

[chevron1]

What about heterosexual tendencies?

Do you think you can be turned into a gay?

Ciao

- viole

yes you can turn gay by giving trans-gay therapy to a straight man:


>>>>There is a terrible therapy that is given to gays against their will and its important to talk about it, because it is rumored to be religious workers who advocate it and perpetrate forced chemical conversion. It's called trans-gay therapy. A friend told me that the movie "xxx: state of the union" starring vin diesel was a subtle allegory about gay reparative therapy, especially trans-gay therapy.

Below are pictures from the movie. in the top picture, the xxx tattoo on the back of the neck represents what this friend calls "trans-gay" therapy: the center x marks the injection point into the brain stem, the x's on either side represent the contents of the hypodermic - estrogen. In the bottom picture, the star vin diesel wears a motocycle pants with a black panel in the crotch area symbolizing castration due to estrogen exposure. It is called "trans-gay" therapy because it is supposed to transform a gay man into a transgender man by direct injection of trans hormones into the brain to feminize the brain only without affecting the body. this way he becomes and thinks like a woman, but looks like a man. they are hoping it will change his orientation too. they tell me that sometimes a gay will attend a party and then is knocked out with something like GHB and then he is injected and wakes up without knowing what happened.

The form of estrogen was used in the 1940s for chemical castration and is called Diethylstilbestrol or DES. According to the wikipedia, DES was once given to pregnant women and has a history of causing transgenderism in boys. Because Bruce Jenner has been transitioning to a woman, there has been some speculation about changes to his sexual orientation. It seems that over 60% of men who undergo transition by estrogen have some kind of change in their orientation: either they become bisexual or straight. I am afraid they suffer brain damage too (reduced brain volume, psychosis, lethargy) in addition to becoming like women and they never feel true love any more. That makes me think that there might be too much trade-off, because you're never the man you used to be.


Bruce Jenner: Sexual Orientation Uncertain After Cross Sex Hormone Therapy

 

[chevron1]

That's a ministry.

no it's not a ministry. i am not a minister. i am a messenger of intercession world for people who need a messenger of my kind. they have a message (like "I'll be late for the meeting") and ask me to deliver it. i am paid to be a go-between between people who don't want to talk to each other. that's all.

 

[chevron1]

1) studies have shown that "treatments" don't work and cause emotional problems.

"treatments" that destroy the mind or even the brain can work to stop someone from being gay without having to castrate him. that's because the religious workers REALLY don't want anyone to be gay. you remember the posting about jessica dutra? she killed her 4 year old son because she THOUGHT he was gay. that's how serious this is. if you really don't want someone to be gay, you'll do anything to stop them from being gay.

 

[sojourner]

no it's not a ministry. i am not a minister. i am a messenger of intercession world for people who need a messenger of my kind. they need a message (like "I'll be late for the meeting") and ask me to deliver it. that's all.

Whatever.

 

[sojourner]

"treatments" that destroy the mind or even the brain can work to stop someone from being gay without having to castrate him. that's because the religious workers REALLY don't want anyone to be gay. you remember the posting about jessica dutra? she killed her 4 year old son because she THOUGHT he was gay. that's how serious this is. if you really don't want someone to be gay, you'll do anything to stop them from being gay.

The treatments don't "stop them from being gay." All they do is cause deeper emotional problems for those who are already suffering emotionally from guilt and lack of loving support and respect.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

>>>>There is a terrible therapy that is given to gays against their will and its important to talk about it, because it is rumored to be religious workers who advocate it and perpetrate forced chemical conversion. It's called trans-gay therapy. A friend told me that the movie "xxx: state of the union" starring vin diesel was a subtle allegory about gay reparative therapy, especially trans-gay therapy.

Yup. And Harry Potter teaches children real witch craft, Magic The Gathering teaches children how to summon demons, heavy metal music tells you to kill yourself, and X-Men is a major piece of the gay agenda.

Bruce Jenner: Sexual Orientation Uncertain After Cross Sex Hormone Therapy

MANY transsexual people are unsure and uncertain about their sexual orientation. To quote my own therapist, it's very typical for someone to not enjoy sex pre-transitioning, to be in the sexual roles of their birth assigned sex, and to address their own orientation once they are in a more comfortable gender role.

if you really don't want someone to be gay, you'll do anything to stop them from being gay.

Hardly anyone resorts to murder. Typically parents who don't want a gay child shame them, shun them, disown them, and sometimes even kick them out of their home. It would be extremely rare for a parent to want their child to have a sex-change to avoid having a gay child, but even if they insisted on it, there are no doctors who will do it for them.

 

[chevron1]

MANY transsexual people are unsure and uncertain about their sexual orientation. To quote my own therapist, it's very typical for someone to not enjoy sex pre-transitioning, to be in the sexual roles of their birth assigned sex, and to address their own orientation once they are in a more comfortable gender role.

my dearest friend william lucas walker who sees the world with pink eyes would agree.

Hardly anyone resorts to murder. Typically parents who don't want a gay child shame them, shun them, disown them, and sometimes even kick them out of their home. It would be extremely rare for a parent to want their child to have a sex-change to avoid having a gay child, but even if they insisted on it, there are no doctors who will do it for them.

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sorry, but if no doc wll do it, then they will do themselves. here is the most famous trans do-it-yourselfer: tammy felbaum! she transitioned all of her husbands (who may have been gay but not transsexual) by castrating them at home. one died.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

sorry, but if no doc wll do it, then they will do themselves. here is the most famous trans do-it-yourselfer: tammy felbaum! she transitioned all of her husbands (who may have been gay but not transsexual) by castrating them at home. one died.

Castration is not a sex change. Have you never heard of eunuchs?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Just so you know, transition involves more than hormones and surgery. It involves leaving one social role and position and accepting a new one. It's learning how to talk again, learning to dress differently, replacing old mannerisms and behaviors with new ones, and socializing as your identified sex and being accepted by society as such.
If castration was all it took, then men who have to have their penis and testicles removed do to cancer wouldn't be men anymore, but they remain men after operation.

 

[chevron1]

Castration is not a sex change. Have you never heard of eunuchs?

an eunuch is a transgender woman.

 

[chevron1]

If castration was all it took, then men who have to have their penis and testicles removed do to cancer wouldn't be men anymore, but they remain men after operation.

men with prostate cancer often feel like women.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

an eunuch is a transgender woman.

No, they aren't. From the OED:
A castrated person of the male sex; also, such a person employed as a harem attendant, or in Oriental courts and under the Roman emperors, charged with important affairs of state. Also fig. (freq. preceded by a descriptive adj.).
If you notice, this does not say they are women. Not does this entry:
A male singer, castrated in boyhood, so as to retain an alto or soprano voice.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

men with prostate cancer often feel like women.

 

[philbo]

God did not revel in Job's suffering. God allowed Job's suffering. It's a metaphor -- not factual happenstance.

Please -- please! I implore you: for the love of God, stop arguing theology you know nothing about!

Well, it does give him pretty much the clean sweep.. it's kind of impressive how many things he's touched upon that he confidently asserts something as true, even to the extent of posting a link which is obviously the result of a google search without actually checking the content of the link supplied. Fractally wrong, even.