Is homosexuality just genetic?

[DallasApple]

The whole thing is sad..

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[Smoke]

Bill Cosby + abortion joke = unparalleled hilarity.

Everybody thought Cosby was funny 40 years ago. I don't know whether he used to be funnier, or we just didn't know any better then.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Abortion is funny to you?

Well, not as funny as Nazi's, Child molesters and Global Warming but no matter the sensitivity of the subject. I find a good joke to be a pressure release. As a man who worked for years with children who have been tortured by their parents I find no subject unmentionable. It has been found to be a very healthy attitude for people like me.

 

[Darkness]

I thought that was already the conspiracy? I guess us evil pinko commie atheists just aren't doing it well enough!

Not after the massive conservative swing in Texas a few months ago. The sad part is that many conservatives would probably like gays and lesbians if they took the chance to know them.

 

[Meow Mix]

Not after the massive conservative swing in Texas a few months ago. The sad part is that many conservatives would probably like gays and lesbians if they took the chance to know them.

I agree, what's worse is that such is true for anybody on this earth.

I have a guyfriend who will tell me to my face that being a lesbian is repugnant to him and his beliefs but that I'm still a human being and thus still his friend. It shocked me at first when I was getting to know him but I've gotten used to it.

And you know what? He and I are actually pretty good friends.

He truly hates this part about me (and I'm not so excited about the fact that he can be so narrow about something so meaningless) but he is good enough of a person that it doesn't matter to him in the end -- it's that I'm a human being that matters, so it's turned into kind of a joke where he teases me about it (maybe a bit more harshly than some friends would), but we get along swimmingly.

Hello humanity, wake-up call: why can't we all be like this man?

If we're going to strongly dislike something about someone, why can't we say to ourselves, "But they're a person like me, so I can dislike that thing about them and constantly remind them about it but since they are a thinking being like I am, we might as well get along?"

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Everybody thought Cosby was funny 40 years ago. I don't know whether he used to be funnier, or we just didn't know any better then.

Which is why Cosby telling an abortion joke would be uproarious.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

I have a guyfriend who will tell me to my face that being a lesbian is repugnant to him and his beliefs but that I'm still a human being and thus still his friend. It shocked me at first when I was getting to know him but I've gotten used to it.

And you know what? He and I are actually pretty good friends.

He truly hates this part about me (and I'm not so excited about the fact that he can be so narrow about something so meaningless) but he is good enough of a person that it doesn't matter to him in the end -- it's that I'm a human being that matters, so it's turned into kind of a joke where he teases me about it (maybe a bit more harshly than some friends would), but we get along swimmingly.

Good for you.

When I was young I had the same feelings about lesbians.(mixed with being turned on by it) I made a Lesbian friend she took me into her life. I went to bars with her, hung out with her friends. This not only changed my views towards Gays it helped me to have non-sexualized relationship with women and made me a much better person.
So I am eternally in Grateful for all that she has done for me.

 

[Midnight Pete]

Which is why Cosby telling an abortion joke would be uproarious.

I strongly disagree.

So-called "abortion jokes" would be more the purview of Bill Hicks.

 

[Darkness]

I agree, what's worse is that such is true for anybody on this earth.

I have a guyfriend who will tell me to my face that being a lesbian is repugnant to him and his beliefs but that I'm still a human being and thus still his friend. It shocked me at first when I was getting to know him but I've gotten used to it.

And you know what? He and I are actually pretty good friends.

He truly hates this part about me (and I'm not so excited about the fact that he can be so narrow about something so meaningless) but he is good enough of a person that it doesn't matter to him in the end -- it's that I'm a human being that matters, so it's turned into kind of a joke where he teases me about it (maybe a bit more harshly than some friends would), but we get along swimmingly.

Hello humanity, wake-up call: why can't we all be like this man?

If we're going to strongly dislike something about someone, why can't we say to ourselves, "But they're a person like me, so I can dislike that thing about them and constantly remind them about it but since they are a thinking being like I am, we might as well get along?"

Your friend does not essentialise lesbianism as all that you are. He strongly disagrees with the girl-with-girl relationships, but he sees you as a person first, not a lesbian first. In the United States we tend to essentialise homosexuality as the characteristic that defines a person, which is absurd. Even if I were to agree that there was something immoral about homosexuality, there is no reason to single it out. Most fundamentalists do not marginalise heterosexuals who have pre-marital sex, and hold that one aspect of their life as the essence of their being, even though pre-marital sex is considered a sin in their eyes.

That is why I firmly believe that once our society becomes more accepting of homosexuality, we need to de-essentialise it from portrayals in the media. Shows like South of Nowhere, where a girl's struggles with her sexual attraction to her best friend Ashley are the central focus of the story, are fantastic. I love that. However, I also think we need some portrayals of characters who are homosexual, where a treatise on homosexuality is not given. A portrayal where it is treated as normal as a heterosexual relationship without a second thought. We might not be there yet, as even many liberal are still quite regressive when it comes to GLBT issues.

 

[Meow Mix]

Your friend does not essentialise lesbianism as all that you are. He strongly disagrees with the girl-with-girl relationships, but he sees you as a person first, not a lesbian first. In the United States we tend to essentialise homosexuality as the characteristic that defines a person, which is absurd. Even if I were to agree that there was something immoral about homosexuality, there is no reason to single it out. Most fundamentalists do not marginalise heterosexuals who have pre-marital sex, and hold that one aspect of their life as the essence of their being, even though pre-marital sex is considered a sin in their eyes.

That is why I firmly believe that once our society becomes more accepting of homosexuality, we need to de-essentialise it from portrayals in the media. Shows like South of Nowhere, where a girl's struggles with her sexual attraction to her best friend Ashley are the central focus of the story, are fantastic. I love that. However, I also think we need some portrayals of characters who are homosexual, where a treatise on homosexuality is not given. A portrayal where it is treated as normal as a heterosexual relationship without a second thought. We might not be there yet, as even many liberal are still quite regressive when it comes to GLBT issues.

I agree with you, and I don't think a lot of gay people really help with their crass portrayals of "gay culture." What gay culture???

Is there a culture of people who are attracted to redheads? (If so sign me up!)

Is there a culture of people who are attracted to people taller than them, or shorter than them??

There is no "gay culture." That's a stupid, stupid myth. Gay people are just like anyone else, they just happen to be attracted sexually to people that straight people wouldn't be attracted to. Notice how I didn't even mention the gender/sex of people in that statement -- well what's the difference?!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I agree with you, and I don't think a lot of gay people really help with their crass portrayals of "gay culture." What gay culture???

I think the "gay culture" stems from the stereotype of effeminate gays and butch lesbians. Although really if I had to guess I would say that approximately half (probably less than that from my own experience) of the gays and lesbians I know fall into the effeminate or butch category. And there are also gays and lesbians who are fairly androgynous.

 

[Darkness]

I agree with you, and I don't think a lot of gay people really help with their crass portrayals of "gay culture." What gay culture???

Is there a culture of people who are attracted to redheads? (If so sign me up!)

Is there a culture of people who are attracted to people taller than them, or shorter than them??

There is no "gay culture." That's a stupid, stupid myth. Gay people are just like anyone else, they just happen to be attracted sexually to people that straight people wouldn't be attracted to. Notice how I didn't even mention the gender/sex of people in that statement -- well what's the difference?!

I think I only know one gay guy who fits into the effeminate gay (Jack from Will and Grace) stereotype. My friend Paul, doesn't at all. Hey, that rhymes. Not all lesbians are butch, just like all straight men aren't sports freaks.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I got thinking, and I came to the conclusion that I know more effeminate heterosexual men than I do gay ones. I can think of only two effeminate gays I've known, and the rest were pretty much like any other guy. I've known quite a few butch lesbians though, not too many butch heterosexual women, but I've also known alot of lesbians that were like any normal woman.

 

[DarkSun]

The question is quite simple. Is homosexuality simply decided by genetics, or is their a choice involved to some extent? Basically, we are talking about nature vs. nurture here. Or, is one born homosexual or is it decided later on in life. This can go with heterosexuality to. I'm interested in the responses.

It might be genetic. Studies show that it's probably an X-linked recessive trait.
Anyway, so what if it is genetic? I don't really see anything wrong with being homosexual, just as I don't see anything wrong with having red hair.

 

[Darkness]

I got thinking, and I came to the conclusion that I know more effeminate heterosexual men than I do gay ones. I can think of only two effeminate gays I've known, and the rest were pretty much like any other guy. I've known quite a few butch lesbians though, not too many butch heterosexual women, but I've also known alot of lesbians that were like any normal woman.

I am interested by your word choice. What is a "normal" woman?

It might be genetic. Studies show that it's probably an X-linked recessive trait.
Anyway, so what if it is genetic? I don't really see anything wrong with being homosexual, just as I don't see anything wrong with having red hair.

Gays I will give some credit to, but what excuse do red heads have? You can just buy a blonde or brunette. Instead they flaunt their red hair in our faces, and try to sell red hair dye to young girls and boys. I mean, nobody in the Bible had red hair. Sort of tells you something, doesn't it. :sarcastic

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I am interested by your word choice. What is a "normal" woman?

Basically just like any other woman you would encounter.

 

[Midnight Pete]

I think I only know one gay guy who fits into the effeminate gay (Jack from Will and Grace) stereotype. My friend Paul, doesn't at all. Hey, that rhymes. Not all lesbians are butch, just like all straight men aren't sports freaks.

I am a straight man who is not a sports freak. Not that there's anything wrong with being a sports freak.

 

[DarkSun]

Gays I will give some credit to, but what excuse do red heads have? You can just buy a blonde or brunette. Instead they flaunt their red hair in our faces, and try to sell red hair dye to young girls and boys. I mean, nobody in the Bible had red hair. Sort of tells you something, doesn't it. :sarcastic

See, I'm glad somebody else out there gets it. Didn't the Bible once say that if a man sleeps with a red nut as they would with a person, then they are an abomination? People clearly need to rethink their values.

 

[Darkness]

See, I'm glad somebody else out there gets it. Didn't the Bible once say that if a man sleeps with a red nut as they would with a person, then they are an abomination? People clearly need to rethink their values.

I simply don't care who people love. Thomas Hobbes said that life is, "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short." If we can find happiness and love, we should go for it. And you know what. I bet all those gay and lesbian people who choose to be together are a hell of a lot happier than the heterosexual couples who just get together because that is what people do.

 

[Midnight Pete]

I simply don't care who people love. Thomas Hobbes said that life is, "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short." If we can find happiness and love, we should go for it. And you know what. I bet all those gay and lesbian people who choose to be together are a hell of a lot happier than the heterosexual couples who just get together because that is what people do.

Hetrosexual couples choose to be together, also. That should be obvious unless you are speaking from irony.