NobodyYouKnow
Misanthropist
Not unless you can remain totally aware of your own ignorance whilst managing to free your own ego from the total hypocrisy of that awareness.
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Is ignorance REALLY bliss?
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WonderWho
Away
Maybe bliss is something else entirely.
I found this on Wiki:
Satcitānanda, Satchidānanda, or Sat-cit-ānanda (Sanskrit: सच्चिदानन्द
] "being, consciousness, bliss",[1] is a description of the subjective experience of Brahman. This sublimely blissful experience of the boundless, pure consciousness is a glimpse of ultimate reality.
I found this on Wiki:
Satcitānanda, Satchidānanda, or Sat-cit-ānanda (Sanskrit: सच्चिदानन्द
] "being, consciousness, bliss",[1] is a description of the subjective experience of Brahman. This sublimely blissful experience of the boundless, pure consciousness is a glimpse of ultimate reality.
NobodyYouKnow
Misanthropist
When I speak of bliss, I speak of nothing but that which you have just mentioned. That's why I said what I did.Maybe bliss is something else entirely.
I found this on Wiki:
Satcitānanda, Satchidānanda, or Sat-cit-ānanda (Sanskrit: सच्चिदानन्द
If there is any bliss associated with ignorance, it would be short lived. I believe that not understanding certain things can lead to misery sometime down the road.
But we're all ignorant of a whole lot of things.
Me Myself
Back to my username
I think this.
I would generally prefer to know even if it is unpleasant.
I d also rather sacrifice personal bliss for knowledge in many circumstances I guess.
InformedIgnorance
Do you 'know' or believe?
Ignorance can make your comprehension more simple or complex, it can make your experience more comfortable or uncomfortable, but it can never make your situation more beneficial. Knowledge provides both opportunities and potential to mitigate threats and even provides power in certain circumstances, ignorance does none of these. Indeed ignorance can remove your awareness of opportunities/threats and it can lead you to believe that non existant opportunities/threats are there, leading to detrimental behaviours. Ignorance facilitates holding incorrect 'knowledge' as being a rational enterprise where it would be irrational were one informed leading one to recognise that the 'knowledge' was incorrect and thus revising their understanding.
Ignorance (in others) may be advantageous, it may facilitate a power difference that allows you to obtain opportunity at the expense of (and exercise power over) others and to reinforce their detrimental behaviours that benefit you. Alternatively it may be disadvantageous as they may be unwilling or unable to grasp information that would allow them to either contribute or at least not obstruct societal progress (technological developments, alterations to societal norms etc) that would benefit you. Ignorance (in others) can be either beneficial or detrimental - depending on how immoral you are and how well their ignorance facilitates your aims; that is why some people are so keen to have others be ignorant.
Ignorance (in your self) may be comforting, it may help you to hold onto false understandings, it may have subjective benefits based on your current world view. Ignorance (in your self) is objectively detrimental.
Determining what germs were was probably not the most blissful episode in the lives of the scientists who pioneered the Germ theory of disease (though it may well have been exciting or validating) - their reduction of ignorance led them to be aware that there were tiny things that no one could easily see all around us which could cause us immense harm, this is hardly the most comforting idea. It was however extremely advantageous - as a result we have managed to strongly mitigate the impact of germs on our lives. Knowledge provides opportunities; Ignorance forgoes.
Ignorance (in others) may be advantageous, it may facilitate a power difference that allows you to obtain opportunity at the expense of (and exercise power over) others and to reinforce their detrimental behaviours that benefit you. Alternatively it may be disadvantageous as they may be unwilling or unable to grasp information that would allow them to either contribute or at least not obstruct societal progress (technological developments, alterations to societal norms etc) that would benefit you. Ignorance (in others) can be either beneficial or detrimental - depending on how immoral you are and how well their ignorance facilitates your aims; that is why some people are so keen to have others be ignorant.
Ignorance (in your self) may be comforting, it may help you to hold onto false understandings, it may have subjective benefits based on your current world view. Ignorance (in your self) is objectively detrimental.
Determining what germs were was probably not the most blissful episode in the lives of the scientists who pioneered the Germ theory of disease (though it may well have been exciting or validating) - their reduction of ignorance led them to be aware that there were tiny things that no one could easily see all around us which could cause us immense harm, this is hardly the most comforting idea. It was however extremely advantageous - as a result we have managed to strongly mitigate the impact of germs on our lives. Knowledge provides opportunities; Ignorance forgoes.
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NobodyYouKnow
Misanthropist
That is a very nice explanation - frubals coming your way.
How I see it is like this:
Taken to the 'nth degree', my Religion, Vedanta only becomes a futile exercise in combined nihilism and solipsism.
We are led to believe that everything is 'ignorance' (Maya) as opposed to what really 'is' (ParaBrahman) and that is Sat-Chit-Ananda (as WonderWho stated).
So, we forever walk around going 'ne-iti'...'ne-iti'...not this...not that...oh, I see Siva there, but that cannot be Siva because Siva 'doesn't exist', so yeah...not that either...
Oh look... now I am being ignorant of my own ignorance - fine! Just tell me when you are done playing mind games and tell me just who is being 'ignorant' of what so we can move on here...
It's a constant balance between 'becoming' and simply 'being'.
Ignorance is bliss when one is unaware of their own ignorance. It's total hell when they are aware of it but choose to remain ignorant and it's bliss again when they know they are, but choose to remain ignorant of this ignorance.
So, let me love God for just a little while longer before I become 'one' with Him.....
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roger1440
I do stuff
If ignorance is bliss, then this forum must be filled with saints.
Yes ignorance is bliss if paranoia can be avoided. If I don't know something I might feel a paranoia that I need to know it. So ignorance would have to be accompanied by contentment.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Ignorance is ignorance, if you are ignorant of fire you will be burnt, if you are ignorant of the rules of driving a car you may be killed or kill someone else, and this applies to everything in life.
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Ideal in your term is not always beneficial.
And well, something beneficial is not always considered ideal because we don't simply like it.
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
I think it depends on what it is you are ignorant to.
McBell
Unbound
What does ignorance or bliss have to do with sainthood?
McBell
Unbound
You should check out the Evolution vs Creationism sub-forum.
The staggering number of people who not only ignorant, but willfully ignorant of what Evolution actually is seems to actually confirm that ignorance is bliss.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
He He, so true, so called saints will latch onto any old excuse to make themselves look holier than thou.