Is ISIS Islamic?

[Debater Slayer]

Debater, the blame of the blamers is not to be feared. This is how the blessed generation dealt with homosexuality. Its a severe crime that requires severe punishment.
But witnesses are must. Persons cannot be punished just for assumption.

For the view of apologists u are talking to the wrong person.

Besides homosexuals are smart. Iam sure they wont reveal themselves in a country where such law exist.


Saudi Arabia is perhaps the most gayest country in the world but their gay males hide themselves, not revealing.

And this is the person who was complaining about perceived anti-Islamic laws in other countries. The hypocrisy is downright disgusting.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

And this is the person who was complaining about perceived anti-Islamic laws in other countries. The hypocrisy is downright disgusting.

Maybe i said it wrong.
But its only the sodomous gay that is punished if caught with evidence.

There are many homosexuals who just have these feelings but do nothing.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Maybe i said it wrong.
But its only the sodomous gay that is punished if caught with evidence.

There are many homosexuals who just have these feelings but do nothing.

There is nothing wrong with homosexual sex. Science proves that there is no harm in it, and I think that science trumps the beliefs of ancient nomads.

Quite frankly, it doesn't really matter whether or not the beliefs of ISIS are Islamic as long as many Muslims hold beliefs like yours. Your beliefs are not much better than those of ISIS.

 

[gsa]

Jizyah is only imposed on wealthy kaafir men that dont want to serve in the army. Its not imposed on elderly, sick people, women, children, monks. So jizyah was more for men that had income but didnt want to serve the army of caliphate.

2) there is no slavery. Islam actually encourages to set slaves free, that is regarded as good deed. U failed there, next time better

3) The mujahidiin in syria fighting the nusayris and rejectors

4) the scholars of quran and sunnah according to the understanding of the salaf(the pious three generations of islam)

5) in islamic country ruled by the islamic law a homosexual will be put to death if caught with powerful evidence. As for the apostate, his case is looked on. The apostate that sells informations or the apostate that works with the enemy will be executed. As for the apostate that is not harmful, i believe he falls under " no compulsion in religion" rule.

1. Perhaps in some schools that is the case, but in the hanafi school it is imposed on anyone with any means, whether they are invalid, poor or monks. Also do you know that it is being imposed on anyone who is female or a minor by ISIS?

2. How do you explain this defense of sexual slavery from an Islamic perspective? It comes from the salafi school.

3. What are the rejectors? Also, Nusayris is considered a slur I think. You mean Alawites?

4. Ok. Refer to the answer I linked to in question #2. Are those scholars untrustworthy and dishonorable?

5. Is publicly discussing your apostasy considered "warlike" ?

 

[gsa]

Debater, the blame of the blamers is not to be feared. This is how the blessed generation dealt with homosexuality. Its a severe crime that requires severe punishment.
But witnesses are must. Persons cannot be punished just for assumption.For example a person cannot be punished just because he walks or dresses gay. Sodomy act must be seen by witnesses or the two gays lying in bed naked. Such are clear evidences.

For the view of apologists u are talking to the wrong person.

Besides homosexuals are smart. Iam sure they wont reveal themselves in a country where such law exist.


Saudi Arabia is perhaps the most gayest country in the world but their gay males hide themselves, not revealing.

Can they be executed with a confession? And is there anything that prevents confessions from being extracted through interrogation?

Also, two guys lying in bed naked? What if they do not have anal sex but only have oral sex? What if there was no penetration? Do the witnesses have to see the penetration as well?

I mean these are fascinating questions that would never be asked in the civilized world for obvious reasons so I am interested in your response.

 

[Shad]

Jizyah is only imposed on wealthy kaafir men that dont want to serve in the army. Its not imposed on elderly, sick people, women, children, monks. So jizyah was more for men that had income but didnt want to serve the army of caliphate.

2) there is no slavery. Islam actually encourages to set slaves free, that is regarded as good deed. U failed there, next time better

3) The mujahidiin in syria fighting the nusayris and rejectors

4) the scholars of quran and sunnah according to the understanding of the salaf(the pious three generations of islam)

5) in islamic country ruled by the islamic law a homosexual will be put to death if caught with powerful evidence. As for the apostate, his case is looked on. The apostate that sells informations or the apostate that works with the enemy will be executed. As for the apostate that is not harmful, i believe he falls under " no compulsion in religion" rule.

1. Still apply to all but the unemplyed and your parameter which is a large part of any nations population.

2. Is false as slavery continued in Islam and Muslim nations for centuries. It was only made illegal by political force from Western nations and secular movements in places such as Turkey. History contradicts your views thus your view is in error. 2 million people along the southern and northern shores Black Sea were traded as slaves by the Ottoman Empire in the 19th century alone. You religious apologetics are not based on factual history but by the discomfort of following a religion which endorsed a practice which is now considered immoral by many.

 

[Augustus]

It is also possible to overstate the differences, as Saudi Arabia has heavily invested in Wahhabism in South and Southeast Asia for decades now. There is also the matter of cross-pollination: Maududi received plenty of praise from Wahhabists in KSA, was a trustee for the Islamic University of Medina and even sketched out a vision for it. And he was not technically a Wahhabist either, nor even from the Hanbali school (he really had no school and no formal religious training although that did not seem to bother the Saudis). And the deceased co-founder of Jemaah Islamiya, Abdullah Sungkar, established a school in Malaysia that was believed to be linked to the Wahhabists. An Indonesian Islamic boarding school he co-founded in 1972 does teach Wahabbism. Another cofounder of that school, and a member of Jemaah Islamiya, Abu Bakar Baasyir, has pledged to the Islamic State and some of the school's graduates have made their way to ISIS.

Nefarious Saudi links are not in doubt, I just don't agree that Wahabbism is the essential ingredient. It has become an ingredient, but one that is overstated in its importance.

'International jihad' has grown out of local territorial/nationalist issues.

 

[faroukfarouk]

The answer to the question of is ISIS Islamic?
ISIS may have an Islamic garb but its not an authentic Islamic movement.
So who is ISIS?
In order to answer the question one has to investigate the ff questions.
1.Why is ISIS allowed freedom of movement through a territory the size of France?
2.Why is ISIS allowed the freedom to extricate and pump thousands of barrels of oil daily?
3.Why is ISIS allowed to move billions of dollars freely around?
4.Why did Israel treat the injured ISIS members in their hospitals?
5.Who supplies ISIS with heavy weapons?
6.Why does ISIS persist in killing Muslims in the most brutal manner?
7.Why does the web site "Dabig" of ISIS and their radio station "Bayan" still operate?
8.Why has these organs of propaganda not been neutralized?
9.Why does ISIS put so much effort into luring girls to its cause?
10.Did our Prophet(PBBUH) ever resort to such methods?
11.Why are the electrical,sewerage and water plants not destroyed in areas under the control of ISIS?
12.Why is ISIS now operating in Afghanistan where the Taliban had immense success?
13.Why does ISIS not confront Israel?
After answering all the above questions i have no doubt come to a conclusion that ISIS is just another front.

 

[Knight of Albion]

10 Actually, yes, he did. Which is where ISIS get their ideoology from

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Banu_Qurayza

 

[Unification]

A few months ago, Graeme Wood sparked controversy when the Atlantic published his essay, "What ISIS Really Wants." Wood's article was controversial because he disputed the claim that ISIS was inauthentic or "un-Islamic" as so many had claimed while the group laid waste to Syria and Iraq. Writing for ThinkProgress in September of 2014, Igor Volsky and Jack Jenkins pointed to the many Muslims and Islamic groups that had criticized ISIS. They assumed that rape and sexual slavery, for example, were clearly inconsistent with Islam. ISIS was revisionist and ahistorical, the product of pragmatic political demands as opposed to religious belief.

Wood's article provided a strong counterargument, one that Jenkins was unable to fully respond to when he interviewed one of the experts Wood cited in his piece. Jenkins also suggested , through alternative experts, that ISIS was misappropriating Islam and that the existence of Muslims condemning ISIS demonstrated that the group was in some way inauthentic. More importantly, it was dangerous, and risked validating the claims of ISIS.

In the case of the criticism of Wood’s article, the counterpoint appears to be that Islam is a diverse religion with many different interpretations. And that is certainly true, but doesn’t that suggest that it is a tradition that can make room for ISIS? And even if the religious motivations are illegitimate, that does not make them inauthentic. ISIS may be the byproduct of a particular time and a particular set of circumstances, but this concession does not suggest ISIS is a nihilistic death cult full of psychopathic murderers.

No. Islam means peace, purity, submission, and obedience to higher mind, better judgement. An internal way of living, as opposed to a label. One who is a warlord in their mind slaying, conquering, murdering, defeating the enemies in the mind of everything that isn't of peace and purity.

Anything that is not, is anti-Islam.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Debater, the blame of the blamers is not to be feared. This is how the blessed generation dealt with homosexuality. Its a severe crime that requires severe punishment.

Can't hear you prating about how wicked gays are over the sounds of your prophet raping a child. At least our morality has evolved in the last 1400 years.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I'm tempted to say IS are Islamic but they're on record as saying they want to destroy Mecca which is the focus of Hajj, one of the pillars of Islam.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/06/i...worship-stones-in-mecca-and-destroy-the-kaaba

That makes the question very murky indeed. That'd be like Catholics planning to destroy the Vatican.

 

[MARCELLO]

There are many homosexuals who just have these feelings but do nothing.

Where? Alice in wonderland,perhaps?