Is Islam going to eclipse Christianity?

[Rainbow Mage]

If so, what changes is that going to mean for humanity? What will become of the west and secularism? What of upholding religious freedoms and the rights of women and gay people?

What would a majority Islamic world mean?

 

[MD]

I think Islam will eventually eclipse Christianity. There is a segment of the islamic population in the west who are secular, freethinkers, homosexuals, feminist, etc. So most muslims will become liberal, open minded, etc. This is the ideal scenario.

Now if there's a massive ecological collapse and crops start to fail (as predicted by climate scientists), Europe can expect to have massive islamic migration from the middle east and north africa. It'll be like the US-Mexico issue on anabolic steroids. That will pose a problem as you are bringing in millions of uneducated people who are poor and relatively un-educated. This also is a possibility if Europe economically collapses, as people will receive less education.

North America is safe that way, no real way for climate refugees to enter and economically pretty strong. Also more religiously pluralistic and the muslims here are one of the highest educated and economic groups, while in Europe it's the opposite.

For the rest of the world, honestly I don't know. I believe there will be major ecological issues for them to deal with and that will be the main concern there.

 

[Cordoba]

Whether there will be more Muslims than Christians in the West in 50 or 100 years or not is unknown, but religious freedom is at the core of Islam and a main foundation of our faith

Muslims believe that God created us to believe in Him by our own free will, so that is not an issue, as the Qur'an says:

(And say the truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills let him believe, and whoever wills let him disbelieve, ...) (18:29)

It's a free world and each person is free to believe or disbelieve in God, though we believe that we will all be held accountable for our decisions in the Hereafter

Peace and freedom in this world are the right answers in all situations, and those are the teachings of mainstream Islam

 

[MD]

Whether there will be more Muslims than Christians in the West in 50 or 100 years or not is unknown, but religious freedom is at the core of Islam and a main foundation of our faith

Muslims believe that God created us to believe in Him by our own free will, so that is not an issue, as the Qur'an says:

(And say the truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills let him believe, and whoever wills let him disbelieve, ...) (18:29)

It's a free world and each person is free to believe or disbelieve in God, though we believe that we will all be held accountable for our decisions in the Hereafter

Peace and freedom in this world are the right answers in all situations, and those are the teachings of mainstream Islam

This is absolutely not true. Maybe it is the case in your version of Islam, but there is not a lot of freedom in mainstream Islam. By mainstream Islam, I am talking about the 4 main madhabs, not sufism or ahmadiyas or wtv.

In a truly run sharia country if you leave Islam you are subject to punishment or execution. This is the case in almost every major muslim country. Homosexuality is also not allowed at all in mainstream islam, by sharia law it's automatically death. The same goes for adultry in women, although for men it's only whipping. This is what I have seen in Hanafi and Salafi schools of thought.

Now you may put Quranic quotes which state otherwise, but mainstream Islam is not only the Quran. The hadeeths (which many times contradict the Quran) are also a part of mainstream Islam.

 

[Cordoba]

In Islam you can't force anyone to believe, Shahz

God clearly says in the Qur'an that people are free to believe or disbelieve, and the Qur'an is the main source of Islam

God even tells His Prophet, Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, the following:

(And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed - all of them entirely. Then, [O Muhammad], would you compel the people in order that they become believers?) (10:99)

This is as clear as daylight

Islamic Law in Muslim-majority countries is another topic

Here we are talking about freedom of faith and Islam in the west where Muslims are a minority and comply with the law of the lands they live in

 

[Reverend Rick]

Is Islam going to eclipse Christianity?

Yes, I believe it will. :yes:

 

[MD]

In Islam you can't force anyone to believe, Shahz

God clearly says in the Qur'an that people are free to believe or disbelieve, and the Qur'an is the main source of Islam

God even tells His Prophet, Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, he following:

(And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed - all of them entirely. Then, [O Muhammad], would you compel the people in order that they become believers?) (10:99)

This is as clear as daylight

Islamic Law in Muslim-majority countries is another topic

Here we are talking about freedom of faith and Islam in the west where Muslims are a minority and comply with the law of the lands they live in

Like I said what you're talking about is not mainstream Islam. It's your interpretation (and a good one). To be honest there are quotes in the Quran which even state that anyone who believes in God is considered people of the book. But most muslims only categorize people of the book as Jews and Christians.

To me mainstream Islam means the kind of Islam most widely practiced in the world. I'm talking about what the average middle class 25 year old thinks in Lebanon or Saudi or Egypt or Pakistan. Muslims in the west generally have a very open minded view of things, this is not the case of most muslims in the rest of the world.

I have lived in a very Islamic country and have seen this with my own eyes. Hopefully people like you will be able to make a difference.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I suspect that Islam will, indeed, eclipse Christianity, and liberalize in the process.

 

[Bob Dixon]

Maybe.

I wouldn't be so against a secular, liberalised, developed nation with a Muslim majority, actually.

 

[Nakosis]

Maybe.

I wouldn't be so against a secular, liberalised, developed nation with a Muslim majority, actually.

I don't know. We'll see how that works. People in power of a common ideology usually can't resist taking advantage of that power. Religious or otherwise.

I suspect it's better to have a number of different ideologies in the mix so they can keep tabs on each other.

That's why they separate the powers of the federal government, so they can keeps tabs on each other. If any one group becomes too powerful individual freedoms starts to suffer.

 

[F0uad]

If America keeps ups the bombing i am pretty sure the Christians are still save in numbers but there are many Christians who themselves came up with numbers that in around 2025 the Numbers will be around the same and in 2050 Muslims will have a much larger number this is due Islam keeps on growing with a average 7/8% without really losing any people in the progress. There are also numbers that indicate that there are already 1,9Billion Muslims and 2,0 Billion Christians so its a matter of which numbers you are looking at.

I rather have a Caliphate with Islam-rule (Sharia) and not the ''extreme/fake'' version of it what is upheld by Iran or Saudi.
I would also add the Sharia Economic rules (Contribution, Free-Market/Enterprise, Small government involvement, No interest) and more.

The issue of apostates is still being discussed by many Islamic scholars there are three views on it:

1. Islamic Apostates who publicly denounce Islam should be trailed what mostly leads to the death-penalty.
2. If a person leaves publicly Islam while the country is in war with a other religion then its seen as a act of treason (and even treason in western-country's are punished by death)
3. People can leave Islam publicly and denounce Islam.

I would interpret the hadiths explaining the second idea.


Ps: You cannot impose Sharia when the Majority is not Islamic or does not vote for it.

 

[Bob Dixon]

1. Islamic Apostates who publicly denounce Islam should be trailed what mostly leads to the death-penalty.
2. If a person leaves publicly Islam while the country is in war with a other religion then its seen as a act of treason (and even treason in western-country's are punished by death)
3. People can leave Islam publicly and denounce Islam.

I would interpret the hadiths explaining the second idea.

Ps: You cannot impose Sharia when the Majority is not Islamic or does not vote for it.

No matter which one is the most "correct" hadith interpretation, any one of them except for number three would be a huge step backward.

 

[F0uad]

No matter which one is the most "correct" hadith interpretation, any one of them except for number three would be a huge step backward.

I think number two is not a step backward.

Lets say for a example a Islamic country is in war with a Christian country then somebody denounces Islam and becomes a Christian he can fight for the Christian country or be a spy he can also weaken the society so rather doing it in public he can do it privately? Anyway there are many people who are in favour of the first and last one i think the Majority is at the third one though what is supported by Hadiths explaining on how Mohammed(saws) let apostles live and didn't punish them for it.

 

[Tarheeler]

I don't know if it will eventually or not; while Islam does offer a much simpler and cleaner theology, at least in my opinion, most of the Christians I've ever met are pretty set in their faith.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

If so, what changes is that going to mean for humanity? What will become of the west and secularism? What of upholding religious freedoms and the rights of women and gay people?

What would a majority Islamic world mean?

Read this book.

Amazon.com: Caliphate (9781439133422): Tom Kratman: Books

It gives you an idea of what would happen if Europe became Muslim.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Asking whether Islam will over run Christianity is like asking whether two weeds will be dominate in a garden. Both will have their weeding

 

[F0uad]

Read this book.

Amazon.com: Caliphate (9781439133422): Tom Kratman: Books

It gives you an idea of what would happen if Europe became Muslim.

Ask a person who is anti-muslim about Islam great.

Hes book starts with:

"Slavery is a part of Islam . . . Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam."

If you really want to know anything about a Caliphate look at HISTORY BOOKS that is not biased on one or the other side.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Asking whether Islam will over run Christianity is like asking whether two weeds will be dominate in a garden. Both will have their weeding

You know, I don't laugh out loud when reading threads all that often but I did when I read your post. Thanks for that. Frubies for you!

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Ask a person who is anti-muslim about Islam great.

Hes book starts with:

"Slavery is a part of Islam . . . Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam."

If you really want to know anything about a Caliphate look at HISTORY BOOKS that is not biased on one or the other side.

How do you know he is anti-Muslim? Because he isn't afraid to write about a world where radical Islam has taken over Europe? If you haven't read the book I suggest you be careful trying to critique it. The book shows some worst case scenarios. What if Radical Islam takes over Europe and What if the Religious Right takes over the United States. Both are shown at their worst. You yourself said to look to History. Can you honestly say that what the book shows us is not possible? Especially not having read it in the first place?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Asking whether Islam will over run Christianity is like asking whether two weeds will be dominate in a garden.

Or two flowers ...

'weed' is a judgement.​