Alan McDougall
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Is Islam really a religion of peace?
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Is Islam really a religion of Peace?
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Digital_Monk
Member
Why not find a copy of the Qu'ran and read it for yourself? I've read it, along with the Hadiths, and I've got a few opinions, but they aren't appropriate to voice here since my knowledge of Islam is purely academic.
Deathbydefault
Apistevist Asexual Atheist
Define peace.
"Islam" is peace itself, but it is also its own definition of peace.
To people in modern countries with a modern definition of peace, the answer is no.
"Islam" is peace itself, but it is also its own definition of peace.
To people in modern countries with a modern definition of peace, the answer is no.
SpeaksForTheTrees
Well-Known Member
In a very hostile world of hostile parent religions Islam is peaceful .
Alan McDougall
Member
Some say if you ask a Moslem if Islam is a religion of peace and you get a reply "yes it is"
And if you disagree you will be killed!
And if you disagree you will be killed!
DawudTalut
Peace be upon you.
Yes indeed, really and truly it is......But it has to the real one, not as the label used by extremists etc.
DawudTalut
Peace be upon you.
1=You are free to have any opinion but plz do not listen to here and there, make your own study. Thanks.......
And if you disagree you will be killed!
2=One is sure you aware of those who were told to turn the cheek, yet they were more than fully involved in great world wars.
You know all that.
3=One is surprised to see search results of "alan mcdougall islam"; unless someone is miss-using this name.
4=No religion in its real form ask for unrest.
5=Useful resource for your researches:
https://www.alislam.org/jihad/
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muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
I don't think that it's about reform or modernising Islam, it's about knowledge, which doesn't come from reading a few verses out of context.
Regards it being "a religion of peace", it should bring peace to those who embrace it, but Muslims are not pacifists. They are commanded to defend themselves, but that doesn't give people a right to take the law into their own hands any more than Christianity does.
The problem today is that mental stability, particularly of the poor, is becoming 'strained' due to global political/financial issues
morphesium
Active Member
Islam is not a peaceful religion. Most of the islamic countries oppress non-muslim people and communities. Even for muslims - there is no freedom of thought and expression. Islam has never been peaceful. Why are there muslims all over the world leave their own country to join isis - many wants ISIS rule in their country .
If a muslim wants to quit his religion - torture and death awaits him. The more a man lives according to koran, the more likely he will support ISIS, the more likely he is lesser peaceful, the more likely he accepts the acts of prophet mohammed - someone who marred a girl of 6 at he age of 54.
If a muslim wants to quit his religion - torture and death awaits him. The more a man lives according to koran, the more likely he will support ISIS, the more likely he is lesser peaceful, the more likely he accepts the acts of prophet mohammed - someone who marred a girl of 6 at he age of 54.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
And you get all this stuff from the Quran, do you? No, didn't think so .. just propaganda
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
My view is Islam is a religion of submission and subjugation. It could be seen as peaceful provided set boundries are not crossed. I don't see it as peaceful in light of its extensive tribal warfare and periods of intolarance plus it's documented treatment of individuals that happen to oppose or reject an Islamic way of life.
Digital_Monk
Member
I cannot argue any of that, but at the same time, look at the history of the early Christian church and how the faith was spread by the sword, and then the Inquisition hundreds of years after that. Doubtful ANY religion doesn't have a whole lot of blood on it's hands. Difference is, we get to see stories about Muslim extremists on the news today, we don't see some pastor mowing down his congregation with a machine gun. That's not to say one is or is not more or less violent than another - but all of us on Earth that pay any attention whatsoever to news are being fed propaganda and we all need to realize it, stop accepting what we are told, and find our own answers.
I shudder to think what would happen if everyone in the world could and would actually think for themselves instead of just gobbing up with herd/mob mentality and only being informed about topics based on what they read online or see on TV.
I shudder to think what would happen if everyone in the world could and would actually think for themselves instead of just gobbing up with herd/mob mentality and only being informed about topics based on what they read online or see on TV.
Yes, it is. At least as much as any other religion is.
Alan McDougall
Member
I don't think God is religious at all and he must find it hugely amusing to see all the silly ways we have invented to please and worship him.
Why people have to sing praises to tell Almighty God how great he is when he knows this as a fact and does not need his ego continually brushed all the time to confirm what is obvious.?
The simple fact is he is Almighty while he knows it and does not have to be told by feeble finite beings like we humans that he is the Greatest.
Unlike the boxer Muhammad Ali, Almighty God does not need to shout out "I am the greatest I told you so" it is just an obvious fact his reality. (All this assuming of course that God exists)
My quote, "The truth is the truth remains the truth no matter what we believe or do not believe, even in total ignorance the truth is the truth!
We must know what we do not know (And admit it)
Regards Alan
Why people have to sing praises to tell Almighty God how great he is when he knows this as a fact and does not need his ego continually brushed all the time to confirm what is obvious.?
The simple fact is he is Almighty while he knows it and does not have to be told by feeble finite beings like we humans that he is the Greatest.
Unlike the boxer Muhammad Ali, Almighty God does not need to shout out "I am the greatest I told you so" it is just an obvious fact his reality. (All this assuming of course that God exists)
My quote, "The truth is the truth remains the truth no matter what we believe or do not believe, even in total ignorance the truth is the truth!
We must know what we do not know (And admit it)
Regards Alan
Alan McDougall
Member
You know all that.
3=One is surprised to see search results of "alan mcdougall islam"; unless someone is miss-using this name.
4=No religion in its real form ask for unrest.
5=Useful resource for your researches:
https://www.alislam.org/jihad/[/QUOTE]
3=One is surprised to see search results of "alan mcdougall islam"; unless someone is miss-using this name.
4=No religion in its real form ask for unrest.
5=Useful resource for your researches:
https://www.alislam.org/jihad/[/QUOTE]
Alan McDougall
Member
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx
Violence
Does the Quran really contain over a hundred verses promoting violence?
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.
The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God. Most contemporary Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Their apologists cater to these preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.
Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy, along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran, have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.
Violence
Does the Quran really contain over a hundred verses promoting violence?
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.
The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God. Most contemporary Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Their apologists cater to these preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.
Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy, along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran, have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.
Alan McDougall
Member
In my opinion Allah is not Almighy God but the great Deceiver in a rather bad disguise, in other words he is the god of hate the great deceiver called Satan the Devil
None of Allahs attributes refelect that of a perfect God of love.
His love if you want to call it love is always conditional such as indicared below?
Allah loves those who do not do this or that etc??
None of Allahs attributes refelect that of a perfect God of love.
His love if you want to call it love is always conditional such as indicared below?
Allah loves those who do not do this or that etc??
Some say if you ask a Moslem if Islam is a religion of peace and you get a reply "yes it is"
And if you disagree you will be killed!
Not with me
I believe that Islam is just a religion. Bringing "peace" to the equation came out because of a misunderstanding of the meaning of the Arabic word "islam" which the name of the religion is derived from. The word actually does not mean peace, it means submitting peacefully to God. Now, depending on how people see peace, Islam could be a religion of peace or it could not. Some people believe that peace is doing absolutely nothing violent, no matter what, even if it is a matter of life and death, while some others believe when the innocent are getting killed, fighting the murderers doing it, as a last resort is a way to protect them and achieve peace for them, hence a religion of peace since Islam teaches that. Yes, it depends.
But there is one thing I assure you. Islam never advocates killing the innocent over a disagreement. You said it yourself, a "Muslim", instead of "Islam", and the former is a human while the latter is a religion. The human is who does the acts, not the religion, so deciding by the action of the followers of the religion is not always really what gives a true judgement of the religion.
And by the way, not even remotely the majority of Muslims would kill for such a disagreement. I wouldn't