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Is Islam Responsible for the Charlie Hebdo Murders?
- Thread starter gsa
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"Without God there are no rules" is a boilerplate religious trope. Dahmer may have said it, but he was quoting several popes and ayatollahs and Pat Robertson and even our own 1robin.
Tom
Elusive Truth
Member
No obviously we are getting nowhere, I refuse to hear to your sermon on atheism.
I am sorry, it is invalid to me.
Elusive Truth
Member
Those are words spoken by a serial killer...
Besides when it comes to atheism it is only a political and ideological disposition,
Here in lies wisdom to you the viewers...
One first has to make a choice not to believe, (if you chose not to believe you still have made a choice)
Atheists believe in God, they choose to deny God that's all.
Simple Logic 101 (apparent by their presence on these forums)
Elusive Truth
Member
Atheists think in this same fashion.
In fact atheism is nothing more than what you can expect from a person when dealing with them in contract (everything is contract law)
Atheism says "I don't believe you I am right" it is a closed minded system...
It is a totalitarian (dictatorial) thought process on an individual level.
It is not open to accepting the majorities opinion.
*is this starting to sound like Radical Islam to anyone yet? (both are Fascistic)
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Elusive Truth
Member
Trolling is so "Dawn of the Internet" baby talk slang..
sheesh! fellas... if someone can't win a "battle of words" it doesn't mean the other is trolling.
-it means one is mentally incompetent to stand trial
Grow Up!
sheesh! fellas... if someone can't win a "battle of words" it doesn't mean the other is trolling.
-it means one is mentally incompetent to stand trial
Grow Up!
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Cephus
Relentlessly Rational
One great thing about the software they use here on RF is that once someone is on ignore, you never even know they're posting. They just vanish entirely. Other forums, you still see the posts go by, they're just blocked with "You are ignoring this user". Good job, whoever wrote the software and kudos to RF for using it.
Elusive Truth
Member
thanks I just found that ignore in the profiles.. they should make it bigger.
The Neo Nerd
Well-Known Member
There are plenty of calls to violence across Islam and Christianity so it is profoundly dishonest to say that xtian and Muslim terrorists are not following the real religion.
That being said each person interprets their religious texts how they choose. To say my interpretation is correct and someone else's is not because they ignore a different part than you is also dishonest.
Also considering religions are "living", evolving entities (not the same today as it was 500 years ago) it is also meaningless to say that they are not following the true religion.
Those men would not have attacked charlie hebdo if they were not Muslims. This does not mean all Muslims are like that, this does not mean that all branches of Islam teach this way. But some do and they are part of the religion as well.
In the end people have died. Their families weep for the loss of their loved ones. Those who choose to defend their religion rather than condemn those terrorists show a profound lack of empathy.
That being said each person interprets their religious texts how they choose. To say my interpretation is correct and someone else's is not because they ignore a different part than you is also dishonest.
Also considering religions are "living", evolving entities (not the same today as it was 500 years ago) it is also meaningless to say that they are not following the true religion.
Those men would not have attacked charlie hebdo if they were not Muslims. This does not mean all Muslims are like that, this does not mean that all branches of Islam teach this way. But some do and they are part of the religion as well.
In the end people have died. Their families weep for the loss of their loved ones. Those who choose to defend their religion rather than condemn those terrorists show a profound lack of empathy.
Elusive Truth
Member
I don't see any other religion killing each other in the name of god or a warlord named Muhammad now a days except one... (that's so dark-ages)
The one we all see on the news.
Elusive Truth
Member
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Nevertheless, my skepticism of an adversary in debate who uses a Dahmer quote to explain his point is just about as high as it gets.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Just a question. Wanted to make sure. I've asked you a million times why you think Atheists in general (not just communists) are akin to Islamic Extremists, not just in similarities, but that they are exactly the same In every respect. Yet, you have provided nothing but generalizations without a shred of objective evidence or data to back it up. Can you please answer this question?
Elusive Truth
Member
Maybe some other time Sir Winston...
This place is unwelcoming, there are in fact less rules on the Pinnacle of Social Media (Facebook)
We can discuss this on my wall, if you like...
In box me and I'll send you my link.
...Goodbye
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Atheism is simply a lack of belief. There are many atheists who just don't really feel like they have been exposed to enough tangible evidence to believe in God. But it is certainly not intrinsic in atheism to make any positive declarations like "I am right and you are wrong." You are confused with the meanings of these English terms, which are extremely well defined and limited. You are merely changing their meanings to support your argument withiut any objective evidence to show why. You can say what you will about atheists, but atheism in general is merely a lack of belief, not a positive declaration in any way.
Here is the English definition of the word from the dictionary.
Atheism: the lack of belief in any diety (god). THAT'S IT ... THAT IS THE LIMIT OF THE MEANING WHEN SPEAKING IN THE GENERAL SENSE!! Does this not seem like the most reasonable explanation to you? If not why not? What makes your stereotype/generalization about everyone without belief in God so secure in your mind, beyond experiences with Communists (a socialistic political scheme that has only caused societal destruction and brutality for the most part). Why do you think all atheists are the same?
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Cool. No hard feelings, but I want to understand your views, which are different than any I have ever seen.
Elusive Truth
Member
leibowde84
Veteran Member
I'm pretty confused by how it works too sometimes. No worries. Let's start a private chat.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
The only rule really is that you cannot attack someone personally, only specific ideas or beliefs. You can't name call or say insulting generalizations about a group, as you have been doing with Atheists. In the same light you cannot attack Christians in general, but you can attack the belief system of Christianity. Just nothing aimed at individuals in the forum or making fun of them, plus you cannot insult every member of any belief system, as that is considered disrespectful. Religious figures are fair game though. You have to be civil to those that are part of this community.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Come join me in a private chat though. It will be a more productive forum.