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Is it delusion of “The God delusion”?

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I don't agree with one. Belief in "No-God" is delusion and superstition as it is neither supported by Revelation nor by science. Please
Regards
To say that belief in "no god" is delusion and superstition is a seriously stupid thing to say. How is it possibly based on superstition for example? I'll try not to burst out laughing too rapidly upon reading your answer.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
You might need to explain what you think 'superstition' means at this point.
To paraphrase it, it means believing in something without any positive reason and justification.
I have never found any such thing from the Atheism people that is an evidence for their "no-god" position/non-position that . They just believe it out of their superstition.
Regards
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
To paraphrase it, it means believing in something without any positive reason and justification.
I have never found any such thing from the Atheism people that is an evidence for their "no-god" position/non-position that . They just believe it out of their superstition.
Regards
Have you read anything from atheists? Heard any talk from atheists?
Atheism (in general) is the position the there is no evidence that demonstrates the existence of God(s) apart from the beliefs of people and what they write and worship. God is man made like all other kinds of human cultural ideas. Instead most atheists believe that the world is natural and only natural forces and entities exist.
Why do you consider such a position irrational. Provide reasons.
You can also look at a basic naturalistic position Here.
Exploring Naturalism: The Philosophy and the Science
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Have you read anything from atheists? Heard any talk from atheists?
Atheism (in general) is the position the there is no evidence that demonstrates the existence of God(s) apart from the beliefs of people and what they write and worship. God is man made like all other kinds of human cultural ideas. Instead most atheists believe that the world is natural and only natural forces and entities exist.
Why do you consider such a position irrational. Provide reasons.
You can also look at a basic naturalistic position Here.
Exploring Naturalism: The Philosophy and the Science
"Have you read anything from atheists?"
Yes, I have.
I have read Christopher Hitchens book "God is Not Great".
His knowledge of religion is very shallow. Right? Please
Regards
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
"Have you read anything from atheists?"
Yes, I have.
I have read Christopher Hitchens book "God is Not Great".
His knowledge of religion is very shallow. Right? Please
Regards
I do not know. I have not read him.But knowing Hitchens, I doubt he is going to be shallow. He may be wrong, but he is extremely well read and not shallow by any stretch of imagination.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
To paraphrase it, it means believing in something without any positive reason and justification.
I have never found any such thing from the Atheism people that is an evidence for their "no-god" position/non-position that . They just believe it out of their superstition.
Regards

So, that's not the common definition of superstition. The common definition is generally around an excessive or credulous belief in the supernatural.

That might give you some inkling of why atheists find it so hard to swallow a linkage of 'atheism' and 'superstition'.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
"Have you read anything from atheists?"
Yes, I have.
I have read Christopher Hitchens book "God is Not Great".
His knowledge of religion is very shallow. Right? Please
Regards

I've read that book, actually. What's an example of this, in your opinion?
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
So, that's not the common definition of superstition. The common definition is generally around an excessive or credulous belief in the supernatural.

That might give you some inkling of why atheists find it so hard to swallow a linkage of 'atheism' and 'superstition'.
"supernatural"

There is no supernatural, all created by G-d is only natural.
Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
So, that's not the common definition of superstition. The common definition is generally around an excessive or credulous belief in the supernatural.

That might give you some inkling of why atheists find it so hard to swallow a linkage of 'atheism' and 'superstition'.
"why atheists find it so hard to swallow a linkage of 'atheism' and 'superstition'"

Unless they, the Atheism, provide some positive, reasonable arguments of their "no-God" position/non-position and justify it they shall have to swallow this soar pill, happily.
Regards
 
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Jonathan Ainsley Bain

Logical Positivist
Is it delusion of “The God delusion”?
“The God delusion” is a book written by Richard Dawkins as a lay man.
Is it based on Revelation or on Science? Or it consists on the delusion of the author, please.
Does one agree? Please

Regards

Dawkins is the most renowned pseudo-scientist since Albert Einstein.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
"why atheists find it so hard to swallow a linkage of 'atheism' and 'superstition'"

Unless they, the Atheism, provide some positive, reasonable arguments of their "no-God" position/non-position and justify it they shall have to swallow this soar pill, happily.
Regards

Phhht...Please...What a pile of self-serving tripe. Can you please look up what the word 'superstition' means, and post what you find?

I am trying to help you, as I realise English is not your first language. You are using the word incorrectly.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Religion is based on Revelation,

No it isn't. It is based on faith in revelation in some cases like Islam.

Atheism is neither based on Revelation nor on science, so sure they support it, Atheism, out of superstition.


That is not what superstition means. Atheism has no single argument. For some it is simply not believing in a claim thus is not a positive belief in something.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Religion is based on Revelation, Atheism is neither based on Revelation nor on science, so sure they support it, Atheism, out of superstition. Please
Regards

Again, please be aware, that is simply NOT what superstition means. Even if I thought atheists were completely deluded, that position is not 'superstitious'. You are misusing the word, and seemingly ignoring all attempts to educate you on what the word means.

If it helps, don't think of me as an atheist disagreeing with you. I'm actually a qualified teacher, and once upon a time lectured on English language development. You're misusing the word.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Unless they, the Atheism, provide some positive, reasonable arguments of their "no-God" position/non-position and justify it they shall have to swallow this soar pill, happily.
Regards
Now, let me get this straight. You want me to craft an argument that is positive and reasonable to a theists viewpoint? Seriously? In what sense do you mean positive? In what sense are you meaning reasonable? You have to understand that you have phrased this in a very peculiar way for English readers.

I'll give it a stab though.

I am positive that no god(s) exist outside the minds of their believers. I am 100% certain on this. My justification for my vehement assertion is based on my own wide ranging experience that has repeatedly withstood the test of time over a period of several decades. I'm not sure how much more reasonable one could possibly get than that.

Further to this, over the decades I have read countless accounts of theists rapturously describing their experience with their perception of god and have rarely been moved and usually come away from those accounts wondering what mental issues the person in question may be afflicted with.

Likewise, I have interacted with theists for thousands of hours and have yet to find much of their thinking to be particularly noteworthy or meaningful. Many are fixated on so-called 'revelation' as if revelation itself confers instantaneous authority. Sadly, for theists, it does not, though they most often pretend it does.

In closing, I offer the sage words from a Canadian artist called Neil Young. It is taken from his song, "Old Man" and sums up my perception of so-called 'revelation' perfectly.

"It doesn't mean that much to me, to mean that much to you."
 
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paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Now, let me get this straight. You want me to craft an argument that is positive and reasonable to a theists viewpoint? Seriously? In what sense do you mean positive? In what sense are you meaning reasonable? You have to understand that you have phrased this in a very peculiar way for English readers.

I'll give it a stab though.

I am positive that no god(s) exist outside the minds of their believers. I am 100% certain on this. My justification for my vehement assertion is based on my own wide ranging experience that has repeatedly withstood the test of time over a period of several decades. I'm not sure how much more reasonable one could possibly get than that.

Further to this, over the decades I have read countless accounts of theists rapturously describing their experience with their perception of god and have rarely been moved and usually come away from those accounts wondering what mental issues the person in question may be afflicted with.

Likewise, I have interacted with theists for thousands of hours and have yet to find much of their thinking to be particularly noteworthy or meaningful. Many are fixated on so-called 'revelation' as if revelation itself confers instantaneous authority. Sadly, for theists, it does not, though they most often pretend it does.

In closing, I offer the sage words from a Canadian artist called Neil Young. It is taken from his song, "Old Man" and sums up my perception of so-called 'revelation' perfectly.

"It doesn't mean that much to me, to mean that much to you."

Synonyms for superstition
noun belief in sign of things to come

Antonyms for superstition
Roget's 21st Century Thesaurus, Third Edition Copyright © 2013 by the Philip Lief Group.
I found great synonyms for "superstition" on the new Thesaurus.com!


By positive I mean of itself, without reference to or demolishing what others believe. If others are wrong, that does not make one's own stance right, necessarily. One has to be on a brilliant and solid foundation. It is a shallow arguments that since others are wrong so must be right. Right? Please
Regards
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Synonyms for superstition
noun belief in sign of things to come

Antonyms for superstition
Roget's 21st Century Thesaurus, Third Edition Copyright © 2013 by the Philip Lief Group.
I found great synonyms for "superstition" on the new Thesaurus.com!

By positive I mean of itself, without reference to or demolishing what others believe. If others are wrong, that does not make one's own stance right, necessarily. One has to be on a brilliant and solid foundation. It is a shallow arguments that since others are wrong so must be right. Right? Please
Regards
One does not have to know the correct answer in order to say that this particular answer has a mistake in it. Right?
 
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