Is It Hard To Accept That Others Don't Believe What You Do?

[Mr Spinkles]

It's not hard for me to accept, no. My beliefs are often controversial and/or in the minority, so it doesn't surprise me that many people disagree.

 

[NIX]

Nope. As long as others are not attempting to make me (and others) live according to the dictates of their own beliefs I'm good.

 

[Revoltingest]

Frubal.
Sometimes I wish our languages had a more sophisticated of communicating degrees of conviction at its core, as Japanese has a built-in system for communicating degrees of intimacy with much any speech (by way of its treatment particles).
We have no adequate way for telling simple disagreement from slight doubt from moral panic from puzzlement from blood and sulphur indignation in regular speech. It is a particularly serious problem in online forums, where people have been known to sometimes disagree.

I find it striking how many harsh disagreements stem from mere incorrect inferences, which are so difficult
to dislodge after taking root. Tis as though some lust for battle, with disagreement is sought out & cherished.

 

[Muffled]

This was suggested by another thread I was participating in. People are preaching tolerance, but it seems that a lot of people only want tolerance for themselves and not for others. It is not confined to religious, non-religious, anti-religious, but within all these groups.
Are we guilty of that? Do we only empathize and sympathize with like-minded people? Or do we have the capacity to accept that not everyone is going to believe, experience, etc. the same way each of us do?

Discuss anything else also that comes to mind- the thread is not limited to what I wrote. :beach:

I don't have any problem accepting what i believe is the fact that people hold false beliefs. I don't have to accept the false beliefs of others.

What I have a problem accepting is that people will hold on to their beliefs despite evidence to the contrary.

 

[Muffled]

Tolerance is what you have for something you can't get rid of. I don't tolerate other ideologies. I welcome them. I'm not forced to live with them, I want to. Tolerance is a bogus way of saying, "I can't destroy you."

Anyway, enough soap-boxing.

I find it very odd that people do not arrive at the same religious conclusions that I have. It doesn't bother me, really. Its just very strange. Its the same feeling I get when someone tells me they don't like zombie flicks. I just don't understand how that could be. It's the entire reason I love this place so much.

I don't like zombie flicks. It is becasue I have an aversion to the perverse. I believe perversity abounds these days and most people love it. I like new cars. Scratches are perverse. I believe the problem is that reality on earth in this time is perverse and the only place that isn't is Heaven.

 

[Muffled]

It's not hard for me to accept, no. My beliefs are often controversial and/or in the minority, so it doesn't surprise me that many people disagree.

I don't worry about whether my beliefs are in the minority. I am more interested in having enough evidence to support my beliefs. I certainly wouldn't rule out your beliefs either but would examine your evidence to see if it is sufficient.

 

[E. Nato Difficile]

The irony isn't lost on me that religious folks like the OP are now soaking their hankies over perceived "intolerance" to their ideas. To hear them tell it, the amoral, atheist hordes hate religious people for their virtue and piety. Nonbelievers hate them for the selfless love they have for all Creation, and (as Christ predicted), the pious are doomed to be persecuted for their humble devotion to the Truth.

This delusion would be funny if it weren't coming from people whose beliefs have done such damage to society throughout history. And even today, the carnage continues. The Pope dooms millions in Africa to death by refusing Catholics the use of condoms. Women are harassed at family planning clinics or have acid thrown in their faces for their unwillingness to act and dress in a prescribed manner. Scientists are denied funding for potentially life-saving stem cell research because of pressure from religious zealots. Educators in public schools have to fight the evolution wars year after year because of the persistence of religiously motivated peddlers of pseudoscience. Riots start when cartoonists dare to poke fun at religious figures. Gay and transgendered people suffer discrimination at the hands of people devoted to the truth of a book written by Bronze Age nomads.

These aren't beliefs that deserve our tolerance. These are the ravings of a hate group. If religious people want people to respect their faith, they should struggle to make their ideas more deserving of respect.

-Nato

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

I find it striking how many harsh disagreements stem from mere incorrect inferences, which are so difficult
to dislodge after taking root. Tis as though some lust for battle, with disagreement is sought out & cherished.

What?! You're saying I live in some kind of primitive 'lodge' made out of roots? Prove it! Come on, I dare you!

 

[Revoltingest]

What?! You're saying I live in some kind of primitive 'lodge' made out of roots? Prove it! Come on, I dare you!

Proof positive!

 

[Philda Tressie]

No. I only pray that their eyes would be opened and there hearts softened so that they may gain Salvation through their acceptance of Jesus, the Messiah

 

[RJ50]

No. I only pray that their eyes would be opened and there hearts softened so that they may gain Salvation through their acceptance of Jesus, the Messiah

A truly hateful dogma! I am so grateful I told the mythical deity where to stick my 'born again' status when I wised up!

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Proof positive!

Dang. Cool crib. My root lodge is just an old pin oak stump on a ditch bank.

 

[ChristineES]

The irony isn't lost on me that religious folks like the OP are now soaking their hankies over perceived "intolerance" to their ideas. To hear them tell it, the amoral, atheist hordes hate religious people for their virtue and piety. Nonbelievers hate them for the selfless love they have for all Creation, and (as Christ predicted), the pious are doomed to be persecuted for their humble devotion to the Truth.

This delusion would be funny if it weren't coming from people whose beliefs have done such damage to society throughout history. And even today, the carnage continues. The Pope dooms millions in Africa to death by refusing Catholics the use of condoms. Women are harassed at family planning clinics or have acid thrown in their faces for their unwillingness to act and dress in a prescribed manner. Scientists are denied funding for potentially life-saving stem cell research because of pressure from religious zealots. Educators in public schools have to fight the evolution wars year after year because of the persistence of religiously motivated peddlers of pseudoscience. Riots start when cartoonists dare to poke fun at religious figures. Gay and transgendered people suffer discrimination at the hands of people devoted to the truth of a book written by Bronze Age nomads.

These aren't beliefs that deserve our tolerance. These are the ravings of a hate group. If religious people want people to respect their faith, they should struggle to make their ideas more deserving of respect.

-Nato

I don't expect anyone to respect my faith, but for crying out loud, who you are talking about are not the normal, mainstream of any faith, but the extremists within the faiths. The people I've know over years, whether religion, neutral, or non-religious, were pretty much tolerant of each other. And don't put in your own motives of in place of the true motives of starting this thread. I don't see hardly any people judging me or my faith at all, so what you say about that is not true and not even close to true.

Extremists in any faith whatsoever and extremists outside of faith are the minority. If you look around at your neighbors instead of the evening news and your history books you will know that to be true.

 

[Iti oj]

I don't expect anyone to respect my faith, but for crying out loud, who you are talking about are not the normal, mainstream of any faith, but the extremists within the faiths. The people I've know over years, whether religion, neutral, or non-religious, were pretty much tolerant of each other. And don't put in your own motives of in place of the true motives of starting this thread. I don't see hardly any people judging me or my faith at all, so what you say about that is not true and not even close to true.

Extremists in any faith whatsoever and extremists outside of faith are the minority. If you look around at your neighbors instead of the evening news and your history books you will know that to be true.

They may be the frindge but they are active and powerfull. And they are a threat to this nation.

 

[E. Nato Difficile]

I don't expect anyone to respect my faith, but for crying out loud, who you are talking about are not the normal, mainstream of any faith, but the extremists within the faiths.

Let's see, you think the Pope is some extremist who doesn't represent the mainstream of Catholicism?

*edit*

-Nato

 

[ChristineES]

Let's see, you think the Pope is some extremist who doesn't represent the mainstream of Catholicism?

*edit*

-Nato

It sounds as though you're upset because I disagree with you. Just being facetious. But can we keep it civil, please? I have no right to ask that, but I am going to anyway.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Sometimes I have a hard time believing that people believe what they say they do, but I never have a problem accepting it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This was suggested by another thread I was participating in. People are preaching tolerance, but it seems that a lot of people only want tolerance for themselves and not for others. It is not confined to religious, non-religious, anti-religious, but within all these groups.
Are we guilty of that? Do we only empathize and sympathize with like-minded people? Or do we have the capacity to accept that not everyone is going to believe, experience, etc. the same way each of us do?

It is normal for people to be that way, unfortunately. I myself can admit that while I do not have a hard time accepting some of the things people believe, as that is what they believe, I admit I do have a hard time accepting that they accept their views on certain issues, such as people holding the view that homosexuals should not be able to be married. That issue, and some others, are difficult for me to just drop it.

 

[Twilight Hue]

This was suggested by another thread I was participating in. People are preaching tolerance, but it seems that a lot of people only want tolerance for themselves and not for others. It is not confined to religious, non-religious, anti-religious, but within all these groups.
Are we guilty of that? Do we only empathize and sympathize with like-minded people? Or do we have the capacity to accept that not everyone is going to believe, experience, etc. the same way each of us do?

Discuss anything else also that comes to mind- the thread is not limited to what I wrote. :beach:

Drawing from my experience as a Christian I know why people believe differently. Never in a thousand years did I ever expect at the time to change direction in the manner that it did.

Weither actually rooted in reality or not, people go with whatever works well for themselves, so if one person differs in view, debate set aside, it's not really an issue in the grand scheme of things. :0)

 

[E. Nato Difficile]

It sounds as though you're upset because I disagree with you. Just being facetious. But can we keep it civil, please? I have no right to ask that, but I am going to anyway.

Civil, you ask?

I was just thinking that anyone who would assert that the Pope of the Catholic Church is some sort of fringe weirdo on the outskirts of Catholicism is probably not really serious about discussing matters in a civil way.

-Nato