Is it ironic when religious people get upset over homosexuality because they think its unnatural?

[sheepwshotguns]

isn't their very god unnatural? hence the term, supernatural.

(of course, im only addressing the argument that being gay is somehow unnatural. that seems to be the main crutch of many people arguments against it.)

 

[McBell]

(of course, im only addressing the argument that being gay is somehow unnatural. that seems to be the main crutch of many people arguments against it.)

i disagree.
That it is un-natural is the reasoning they impplied in order to justify why God/bible says it is wrong.

The fact is that God nor the Bible ever state WHY it is bad, just that it is an abomination.

Another problem that we run into is what is an abomination?
From Websters 1828 Dictionary:

Abomination
ABOMINA'TION, n.

1. Extreme hatred; detestation.

2. The object of detestation, a common signification in scripture.

The way of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord. Prov 15.

3. Hence, defilement, pollution, in a physical sense, or evil doctrines and practices, which are moral defilements, idols and idolatry, are called abominations. The Jews were an abomination to the Egyptians; and the sacred animals of the Egyptians were an abomination to the Jews. The Roman army is called the abomination of desolation. Mat 24:13. In short, whatever is an object of extreme hatred, is called an abomination.
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Now i am fairly sure that someone is not going to like to definition I presented, so they will need present their own opinion as to what the word abomination means.
Hence demonstrating the biggest problem with religion.

 

[.lava]

isn't their very god unnatural? hence the term, supernatural.

(of course, im only addressing the argument that being gay is somehow unnatural. that seems to be the main crutch of many people arguments against it.)

i don't feel upset about gay people. they are rebels to their own bodies and they do no harm to others. what's there to be upset about?

 

[Don Penguinoini]

RUBBISH. You are applying about the rule of two religions to the whole friggin religious world!!!

 

[Mike182]

i don't feel upset about gay people. they are rebels to their own bodies and they do no harm to others. what's there to be upset about?

in what way are we rebels to our own bodies?

 

[.lava]

in what way are we rebels to our own bodies?

acting feminine in male body.

 

[Valjean]

But these people were born with a feminine brain, .lava. That is their Nature. Allah made them that way. Do you question His design?

 

[.lava]

But these people were born with a feminine brain, .lava. That is their Nature. Allah made them that way. Do you question His design?

there is cure for everything, except getting old and dying.

 

[blackout]

i don't feel upset about gay people. they are rebels to their own bodies and they do no harm to others. what's there to be upset about?

there is cure for everything, except getting old and dying.

Acting... BEING ... who you most NATURALLY are...
being true to who you are,
is not rebeling against yourself.

To try and be someone you're not...
as if you were a disease that needed to be cured,
That's rebelling against your self.

 

[Valjean]

Curing an inherant trait like homosexuality would be like curing left-handedness or red hair. If Allah chose to make you gay why would you seek to undo His work?

 

[.lava]

Curing an inherant trait like homosexuality would be like curing left-handedness or red hair. If Allah chose to make you gay why would you seek to undo His work?

there are kids who were born with diseases. parents try to cure their child. so are their intention un-doing God's work?




PS for gay friends: i don't wish to discuss this. i did before and felt like heart breaker. you're gay, i am not. we both know it. i replied just to say, as a religious one i am not upset. that's all.

 

[McBell]

there is cure for everything, except getting old and dying.

That is good to know, that there is a "cure" for the flaws of God.

 

[Valjean]

there are kids who were born with diseases. parents try to cure their child. so are their intention un-doing God's work?

If you really believe that God actively controls all things; that nothing happens without His approval, then yes, they are attempting to undo His work.

I see a difference in attempting to repair a disabling physical defect and an aesthetic, though. A clubfoot disables through the unchangeable laws of physics.The "disabilities" associated with homosexuality are entirely a consequence of the attitudes of others. Homosexuality is best "treated" by changing society's reaction to it.

PS for gay friends: i don't wish to discuss this. i did before and felt like heart breaker. you're gay, i am not. we both know it. i replied just to say, as a religious one i am not upset. that's all.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

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Peace,
Mystic

 

[Sola'lor]

isn't their very god unnatural? hence the term, supernatural.

(of course, im only addressing the argument that being gay is somehow unnatural. that seems to be the main crutch of many people arguments against it.)

So should we call homosexuality supernatural?

 

[dreamer_09]

Erm - homosexuality is un-natural scientifically

The science is that - everything is here to pass on its genes it specifies that the meaning of life is to procreate and to keep life going.

Homosexuality is against procreation and there for is un natural as this is against nature.

However God is said to have created nature therefore incontrol of nature therefore he is not un natural.

 

[3.14]

even more odd is that gods "loves" everyone so god is bi
and that even animals show gayness signs
so lets sum that up nature does it god does it they worship god and there against it?

 

[Heneni]

This might answer the question whether people are born gay.

You all are hopefully familiar with chromosones. You get X and Y chromosones.

It is a 'fact' that some chromosones are stronger or weaker than others.

Lets say your dad has strong chromosones and your mom has strong cromosones as well, when you pop out you are considered to be 'normal'. (whats normal? Another thread another time).

If your dad has strong chromosones and your mom has week chromosones, and you pop out a girl, you tend to have masculine behaviour.

If your dad has strong chromosones and your mom has week chromosones, and you pop out a boy, you are something in the order of conan the barbarian. (LOL, I mean very MANLY...you probably did not play with dolls when you were a kid)

If your dad has weak chromosones and your mom has strong chromosones, and you pop out a girl, you are a feminist...no just kidding, you have very strong female characteristics.

If your dad has weak chromosones and your mom has strong chromosones and you pop out a boy....you are gay.

Very often men with very domineering mothers are gay. Ever notice?

I have listed the extremes here, but there is a scale of gay- ness.

Now, what about sexual desire? Since a person is presumably born male with very female characteristics, does that mean that they will naturally be attracted to men?

I think because women have tradisionally wanted conan the barbarian, men with female characteristics dont feel they have what women want. Perhaps I should rater say women tradisionally want the prince on the white horse....mel gibson in braveheart type of guy.

Since a great deal of women dont find men with female characteristics to be fitting into their 'what I want in a man' frame of reference, these men have turned to other men, to find intimacy and acceptance.

Men with female characteristics, can find a women with male characteristics. And the two can live happily ever after and procreate.

So, sexual intimacy between two men, or two women, is still I believe, is not natural for the human species.

Love
Heneni

 

[McBell]

This might answer the question whether people are born gay.

nope.
Not even close.

 

[RobinD69]

Perhaps what should be understood from a Christian perspective is that your body is the temple of God. Any harm you do to your body, purposly is wrong and therefor sin. God hates sin. Sure the homosexual act only effects those involved, not true. I work with a woman who used to be a nurse and she explained that the male act( anal intercourse) was a precurser to anal hernia. Many a homosexual came into the ER with their inards trying to come out. This affected all those involved in trying to help this person.

You see when God creates something good, man perverts it and this is of course sin. I personally do not hate the homosexual people but I do detest their immoral acts just as I do the acts of all who sin willfully.