Is it ok to get cremated if you believe you will be resurrected?

[capumetu]

You misunderstood. I want talking about that hell. I was talking talking this one.
Revelation 20:14,15
[Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.]

Aah! yes that one comes at the end of the millennial reign of Christ, after satan is released. Many of us fight him today, but we all sin. You will be much better equipped to fight him then, as you will have been brought to perfection. Notice what that lake symbolizes sir, the second death.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

No, there is no hiding place, but it is not the body that needs to hide, it is the soul, because it is not the body that will be judged, it is the soul. Any sins that are committed are committed by the soul, the body is just a vehicle that the soul used to commit those sins. There will be no physical bodies in heaven, so how can a body be judged?

Jesus said that we would lose our soul if we savored the things of the body that are not of God instead of following Him.

Matthew 16:23-26 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

There will be a resurrection of the dead when he returns. These bodies will be changed. They will be spiritual bodies, but we will have a body.

 

[Trailblazer]

There will be a resurrection of the dead when he returns. These bodies will be changed. They will be spiritual bodies, but we will have a body.

Christ already returned in the person of Baha'u'llah. The same Jesus who walked the earth 2,000 years ago never planned or promised to return to earth, not once in the New Testament.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

There was a resurrection of the dead when Baha'u'llah appeared, and it is still going on as people enter His Faith. Resurrection is the birth of the individual to spiritual life, through the gift of the Holy Spirit bestowed through the Manifestation of God. The grave from which we arise is the grave of ignorance and negligence of God. The sleep from which we awaken is the dormant spiritual condition in which many await the dawn of the Day of God. This is called The Great Resurrection.

There will be no resurrection of dead bodies from their graves. The same thing will happen to everyone who dies. When they die their physical body will decompose and their soul will leave their body and enter the spiritual world, where they will take on another form, a spiritual body.

"Evidently, then, the death of man is merely his passing from one world into another. And this is why in the Word in its internal sense “death” signifies resurrection and continuation of life." Heaven and Hell, p. 351

This is what Paul meant when he said that our physical bodies will be transformed into bodies that will never die. Our transformed bodies will be spiritual bodies. Paul says that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God and that means they cannot exist in heaven. When Paul says these dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever, he is referring to the spiritual world (heaven), which will last forever.

1 Corinthians 15:40-54 New Living Translation

40 There are also bodies in the heavens and bodies on the earth. The glory of the heavenly bodies is different from the glory of the earthly bodies.

44 They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies.

50 What I am saying, dear brothers and sisters, is that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever.

51 But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed!

54 Then, when our dying bodies have been transformed into bodies that will never die,[c] this Scripture will be fulfilled: “Death is swallowed up in victory.[d]

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[TrueBeliever37]

Christ already returned in the person of Baha'u'llah. The same Jesus who walked the earth 2,000 years ago never planned or promised to return to earth, not once in the New Testament.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

There was a resurrection of the dead when Baha'u'llah appeared, and it is still going on as people enter His Faith. Resurrection is the birth of the individual to spiritual life, through the gift of the Holy Spirit bestowed through the Manifestation of God. The grave from which we arise is the grave of ignorance and negligence of God. The sleep from which we awaken is the dormant spiritual condition in which many await the dawn of the Day of God. This is called The Great Resurrection.

There will be no resurrection of dead bodies from their graves. The same thing will happen to everyone who dies. When they die their physical body will decompose and their soul will leave their body and enter the spiritual world, where they will take on another form, a spiritual body.

"Evidently, then, the death of man is merely his passing from one world into another. And this is why in the Word in its internal sense “death” signifies resurrection and continuation of life." Heaven and Hell, p. 351

This is what Paul meant when he said that our physical bodies will be transformed into bodies that will never die. Our transformed bodies will be spiritual bodies. Paul says that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God and that means they cannot exist in heaven. When Paul says these dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever, he is referring to the spiritual world (heaven), which will last forever.

1 Corinthians 15:40-54 New Living Translation

40 There are also bodies in the heavens and bodies on the earth. The glory of the heavenly bodies is different from the glory of the earthly bodies.

44 They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies.

50 What I am saying, dear brothers and sisters, is that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever.

51 But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed!

54 Then, when our dying bodies have been transformed into bodies that will never die,[c] this Scripture will be fulfilled: “Death is swallowed up in victory.[d]

Read full chapter

I Definitely don't believe your take on the scriptures. BTW aren't you the one that bad mouths God, and thinks your God is horrible?

 

[Trailblazer]

I Definitely don't believe your take on the scriptures. BTW aren't you the one that bad mouths God, and thinks your God is horrible?

Do you mean the plain meaning of the scriptures, like when Jesus says He will be no more in the world? That is not my take, it is simply what Jesus said, if you believe that the New Testament is what Jesus said. If you believe these verses are in error that calls the entire New Testament into question, so we cannot believe anything it says.

My personal feelings I have about God at times have nothing to do with what is actually in the scripture. You cannot change the fact that Jesus said He would would will no longer be in the world. Jesus also said that His work was finished in the world so there is no reason why Jesus would be returning to the world, unless He was coming to lounge around.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Jesus certainly never said He was coming back to earth to build the Kingdom of God, so I don't know where Christians ever got this idea.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

These two verses in John 18 completely negate that Jesus is the King of this world or that Jesus will ever come to this world to rule it, and they fit perfectly together with John 17:4 and John 17:11. Jesus came into this world to bear witness unto the truth about God. He did that so there is no more reason for Jesus to come back to this world again. That is why Jesus said “I am no more in the world.”

BTW, I do not think God is horrible. Although I feel that way at times, I know it is me who is horrible for feeling that way, and that's is why I work on changing my attitude towards God, because I know I am wrong. I talk about how I feel on the forum because often there are people whom can help me sort out my feelings, and often those people are Christians because they have their head on straight when it comes to God.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Do you mean the plain meaning of the scriptures, like when Jesus says He will be no more in the world? That is not my take, it is simply what Jesus said, if you believe that the New Testament is what Jesus said. If you believe these verses are in error that calls the entire New Testament into question, so we cannot believe anything it says.

My personal feelings I have about God at times have nothing to do with what is actually in the scripture. You cannot change the fact that Jesus said He would would will no longer be in the world. Jesus also said that His work was finished in the world so there is no reason why Jesus would be returning to the world, unless He was coming to lounge around.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Jesus certainly never said He was coming back to earth to build the Kingdom of God, so I don't know where Christians ever got this idea.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

These two verses in John 18 completely negate that Jesus is the King of this world or that Jesus will ever come to this world to rule it, and they fit perfectly together with John 17:4 and John 17:11. Jesus came into this world to bear witness unto the truth about God. He did that so there is no more reason for Jesus to come back to this world again. That is why Jesus said “I am no more in the world.”

BTW, I do not think God is horrible. Although I feel that way at times, I know it is me who is horrible for feeling that way, and that's is why I work on changing my attitude towards God, because I know I am wrong. I talk about how I feel on the forum because often there are people whom can help me sort out my feelings, and often those people are Christians because they have their head on straight when it comes to God.

When you say he came back as Baha something, that is your take, and I definitely don't believe any of that. That is nowhere to be found in the scriptures I use.

Yes he left the world, but he is coming back to get his people. The kingdom he established here was his church.

 

[Trailblazer]

When you say he came back as Baha something, that is your take, and I definitely don't believe any of that. That is nowhere to be found in the scriptures I use.

Yes, it is my take, my belief, and you do not have to believe it, nor should you believe it without first investigating it for yourself. Baha'u'llah fulfilled all the Bible prophecies for the return of Christ so the announcement of His Coming is in the scriptures you use. The Bible prophecies (OT and NT) and exactly how they were fulfilled by the coming of Baha'u'llah and during His mission on earth and afterwards are delineated the book entitled Thief in the Night by William Sears.

Yes he left the world, but he is coming back to get his people. The kingdom he established here was his church.

To get His people and take them where? The problem is I cannot find anywhere in the New Testament where Jesus says He is 'coming back' to get His people and take them anywhere.

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Jesus did say He would come again, but Jesus did not say ‘how’ He would come so there is no reason to think this one verse is Jesus saying He will come to earth again in the same physical body He had when He walked the earth 2,000 years ago, especially in light of all the other verses that contradict that (John 14:19, John 17:4, John 17:11, John 19:30).

"and receive you unto myself" is obviously about the Spirit of Jesus, not His physical body, and please note that Jesus did not ever say He would come again and ‘do’ anything on earth that would require a body, like building a Kingdom of God on earth, as most Christians believe Jesus will do.

Jesus did not say "my body will come again." The spirit of Jesus did come again, in the Person of Baha'u'llah, and that was what Jesus promised to send. Jesus was a Comforter who brought the Holy Spirit and Baha’u’llah was another Comforter who brought the Holy Spirit.

John 14:16-17 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

"and receive you unto myself" is obviously about the Spirit of Jesus, not about His physical body, because there would be no way that the disciples Jesus was speaking to could receive the body of Jesus on earth since they were no longer living on earth. Where Jesus was in heaven and that is where the disciples also are, so that is where Jesus received them. That is why Jesus said that He went to prepare a place for them, a place in heaven, not on earth.

John 14:3 is one of the most misunderstood verses in the New Testament so it is no wonder the Bible commentaries do not agree on what it means.

I believe that Jesus is waiting for you in heaven and you will see Him there after you die and be with Him forever.