Is it possible for a religion to have all Truth as regards faith and morals?

[thau]

Are you saying that the message to love one another is useless without the divinity? None of the prophets before Jesus were divine but their words hold weight. It was as a man Jesus taught these lessons, they hold weight as much as the claims ofbhis divinity.

No, not really. What I am saying is that Jesus’ divinity and consequential death on a cross and resurrection takes on immeasurable greater meaning and importance for humankind than all of the good teachings of all other mere mortals combined. It is not my intention to downplay teachings of charity and kindness, but to elevate Jesus’ sacrifice upon the cross above all of our efforts and thoughts.

In that respect (only, perhaps) there is no middle ground.

 

[Jainarayan]

You forgot "in my beliefs".

 

[idav]

Hey everyone. I have been considering this for a time. The Catholic Church claims to have 100% of the Truth concerning faith and morals. Well, I am starting to question this. I am not entirely sure why I am questioning it.

But anyway, I was wondering if we could have a debate on the issue of whether its possible for a single religion to have 100% of the Truth on matters involving faith and morals.

So, what do you think? Do you think its possible for a single religion to have an exclusive claim to all Truth concerning faith and morals? Do you think that Truth, or parts of it, is shared by various religions? Or do you think there is no Truth concerning faith and/or morals? So, what do you believe and why do you believe it?

Catholics pretty much go by what the saints found to be the truth. This truth is supposed to be from god via Jesus however Jesus did not touch on every truth or moral issue, one has to rely on a solid foundation. Since not everything can ever be covered we rely on human interpretation which can be wrong even when coming from someone dubbed a saint or prophet. I believe the foundation can be found through the words of Jesus but requires our fallible interpretations. It requires a bit of faith to believe that any of the appointed saints of the church got it right, and still many of them may have got enough right for salvation even if not being entirely correct about technicalities.

 

[RJ50]

No, not really. What I am saying is that Jesus’ divinity and consequential death on a cross and resurrection takes on immeasurable greater meaning and importance for humankind than all of the good teachings of all other mere mortals combined. It is not my intention to downplay teachings of charity and kindness, but to elevate Jesus’ sacrifice upon the cross above all of our efforts and thoughts.

In that respect (only, perhaps) there is no middle ground.

Only if you believe that Jesus was resurrected, which is hardly a credible scenario!

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Only if you believe that Jesus was resurrected, which is hardly a credible scenario!

Which is why I say look beyond the death. The life that Jesus lived is enough to see him as divine.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Which is why I say look beyond the death. The life that Jesus lived is enough to see him as divine.

Assuming he lived that life...

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Hey everyone. I have been considering this for a time. The Catholic Church claims to have 100% of the Truth concerning faith and morals. Well, I am starting to question this. I am not entirely sure why I am questioning it.

But anyway, I was wondering if we could have a debate on the issue of whether its possible for a single religion to have 100% of the Truth on matters involving faith and morals.

So, what do you think? Do you think its possible for a single religion to have an exclusive claim to all Truth concerning faith and morals? Do you think that Truth, or parts of it, is shared by various religions? Or do you think there is no Truth concerning faith and/or morals? So, what do you believe and why do you believe it?

Not only do I think it's impossible; I think it's pretentious to make such a claim.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Assuming he lived that life...

To me I don't think it matters much now.

It's hard to see however I think sometimes the Good that has been done in Jesus's name when faced with the way people have used the name to do less...savory things.

A trend I've noticed is that it's rare to hear people talk of the teachings of Jesus in churches (I go to a baptist church), but there is ample focus on the gift of eternal life.

Which to me is us showing fear.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

To me I don't think it matters much now.

It's hard to see however I think sometimes the Good that has been done in Jesus's name when faced with the way people have used the name to do less...savory things.

A trend I've noticed is that it's rare to hear people talk of the teachings of Jesus in churches (I go to a baptist church), but there is ample focus on the gift of eternal life.

Which to me is us showing fear.

Anything done in Jesus' name can be accomplished without mentioning him; good or bad.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Anything done in Jesus' name can be accomplished without mentioning him; good or bad.

Well I think in that part of the world, Jesus gave a new insight (or not commonly held) insight *if you believe he existed* that was different for his time. It was kinda like a form of communism.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Well I think in that part of the world, Jesus gave a new insight (or not commonly held) insight *if you believe he existed* that was different for his time. It was kinda like a form of communism.

Communism as a concept is as old as the human race itself, as evidenced by hunter-gatherer societies that pooled their food for the survival of their whole group.

 

[ZooGirl02]

Not only do I think it's impossible; I think it's pretentious to make such a claim.

Could you please explain to me why you think it is impossible? Does it have to do with your lack of belief in God?

 

[allright]

Jesus answered the Question.

He said "I am the way the truth and the light. No one comes to the Father but thru me"

You bet your eternity on where he was the truth or he was a liar.

 

[ZooGirl02]

Jesus answered the Question.

He said "I am the way the truth and the light. No one comes to the Father but thru me"

You bet your eternity on where he was the truth or he was a liar.

Well, that's not the only reason why I believe in Catholicism. I mean, yes, Jesus did say that He is the way, the truth, and the life (not light). Here's the verse:

Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.
(John 14:6 DRB)

So, in my opinion, Jesus quite clearly claimed to be the Son of God (that's not mentioned in this verse but is in others) and He also claimed to be the Messiah. I truly believe He is the Messiah and the Son of God.

 

[Jainarayan]

Jesus answered the Question.

He said "I am the way the truth and the light. No one comes to the Father but thru me"

You bet your eternity on where he was the truth or he was a liar.

What he meant was that he knew how to reach God because the people at the time forgot God except for mindlessly performing rituals. He was bringing God and man together because he was enlightened and understood. People could no longer find God on their own. Nothing more.

 

[Enai de a lukal]

So, what do you think? Do you think its possible for a single religion to have an exclusive claim to all Truth concerning faith and morals? Do you think that Truth, or parts of it, is shared by various religions? Or do you think there is no Truth concerning faith and/or morals? So, what do you believe and why do you believe it?

The obvious assumption here is that there is any truth concerning morals in the first place; for Christianity, or any religion, to possess all possible moral truths, moral truth must first exist, right?

And there's good reason to doubt that claims about morality are true or false at all- claims are true or false in virtue of having truth-conditions; if the truth-conditions for a given claim, P, obtain, then P is true. But if P has no truth-conditions, no circumstances under which it is true, then P is not truth-apt. And moral claims appear to have no truth-conditions, and appear to not be asserting any particular claim about how the world is (truth-conditions) but rather about how the world should be. Ethical claims like "stealing is wrong" do not say, as it were, that this thing, stealing, has this property, "being wrong"- rather, "stealing is wrong" says that I don't think people should steal- I'm essentially issuing a directive or command. And "give me that stapler" is not truth-apt, because it has no truth-conditions; it does not describe the world as being any particular way. Similarly with ethical claims.

So in short, no, it is not possible for any religion to possess all moral truth, because there is no such thing as moral truth to begin with.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Could you please explain to me why you think it is impossible? Does it have to do with your lack of belief in God?

It's the reason I don't believe in any gods. It's impossible because every god was invented by mankind, and we barely know the truth about anything.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Jesus answered the Question.

He said "I am the way the truth and the light. No one comes to the Father but thru me"

You bet your eternity on where he was the truth or he was a liar.

Or maybe the people that invented Jesus were liars.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

Or it may have been written incorrectly, or altered once written or interpreted incorrectly or... there are a myriad possible ways that the 'truth' could be diluted or polluted over the years.

 

[Sha'irullah]

No religion has full access to the truth because the truth is something which we reveal unto ourselves over the period of our duration.
The Bible yet alone the Catholic Church has absolutely no truth because all benefits of it are pre-existent and all negativities are just outright negative.

NO religion has full access to something as subjective as morals and faith. This is impossible and ludicrous on a human standpoint.

The very reason you are questioning it is because of the inhumane reasoning that must be used to comply with this belief