Is it possible for you to do anything that God did not already know you would do?

[Beaudreaux]

There are several threads going on about omniscience and free will and I have asked this question in them all. To date, no one has answered. So, I am starting a thread dedicated to the question in the hopes that someone will have the intellectual integrity to respond honestly. The question is not loaded, leading or a trick question. It is straightforward and is properly answered with a "yes" or a "no" with follow up explanation welcome. The question is:

Is it possible for you to do ANYthing that God did not already know you would do?
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I eagerly await responses.

 

[Zephyr]

Yup. My gods aren't omniscient.

 

[lunamoth]

I don't know. My take on it is that God can know everything that is knowable. Some things might not be knowable. Like the future.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Yup. My gods aren't omniscient.

Kewl! ANd thank you for responding.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Beaudreaux,

Is it possible for you to do anything that God did not already know you would do?

GOD KNOWS!

Love & rgds

 

[JMorris]

I don't know. My take on it is that God can know everything that is knowable. Some things might not be knowable. Like the future.

so in short, no, your god isnt omniscient

 

[Beaudreaux]

I don't know. My take on it is that God can know everything that is knowable. Some things might not be knowable. Like the future.

When I was a kid, my dad told me a joke he heard at work.

What happens when the unstoppable force meets the immovable object?

There'll be hell to pay!
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Yeah, I know, I didn't think it was that funny either. It did get me thinking about logical absolutes, though. I realized that if there was an unstoppable force then there could be no such thing as an immovable object and vica versa. It's the same way with omniscience. If there is anything that is unknowable then there can be no such thing as omniscience.

I am guessing then that you do not think God is omniscient, but don't let me put words in your mouth.

And thank you for responding.

 

[JMorris]

Friend Beaudreaux,



GOD KNOWS!

Love & rgds

what a wonderfully worded non-answer

 

[Beaudreaux]

Friend Beaudreaux,



GOD KNOWS!

Love & rgds

So, is that a "yes GOD KNOWS!" or a "no GOD KNOWS!"?

 

[lunamoth]

When I was a kid, my dad told me a joke he heard at work.

What happens when the unstoppable force meets the immovable object?

There'll be hell to pay!
​

Yeah, I know, I didn't think it was that funny either. It did get me thinking about logical absolutes, though. I realized that if there was an unstoppable force then there could be no such thing as an immovable object and vica versa. It's the same way with omniscience. If there is anything that is unknowable then there can be no such thing as omniscience.



I am guessing then that you do not think God is omniscient, but don't let me put words in your mouth.

And thank you for responding.

Well, I'm just not sure how useful it is to think about omniscience. It's more of a Greek idea, so it does not fit the Abrahamic theology all that well. If there's no such thing as omniscience it's not much of a strike against God to say he's not omniscient. '

The God that can be spoken is not the eternal God.

You're welcome for the answer. I'll look for the companion thread on omnipotence.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Well, I'm just not sure how useful it is to think about omniscience. It's more of a Greek idea, so it does not fit the Abrahamic theology all that well. If there's no such thing as omniscience it's not much of a strike against God to say he's not omniscient. '

The God that can be spoken is not the eternal God.

You're welcome for the answer. I'll look for the companion thread on omnipotence.

My understanding is that omniscience necessarily arises out of omnipotence. If God can DO anything then he must be able to KNOW anything. But perhaps you are correct. Who really knows?

I am curious though. If God cannot see the future, how did he do all the prophecy stuff? Do you think he's curious about how everything will turn out?

 

[lunamoth]

I am curious though. If God cannot see the future, how did he do all the prophecy stuff? Do you think he's curious about how everything will turn out?

I think prophecy is telling eternal truths, things that are true all the time. I don't think anyone can predict the future with 100% accuracy. But, I could be wrong. Time is funny stuff.

 

[YmirGF]

Is it possible for you to do ANYthing that God did not already know you would do?

Absolutely. In my demented view, of what other human animals refer to as "god” that probable reality hasn't the slightest idea how I will react to any given circumstances. In some regards, my behaviour can be predicted, but that isn't quite the same thing now, is it? But, getting back to my quirky concept, we come into being to find out exactly how we would react because there is nothing engraved in stone - anywhere. If we already knew, or it was already known, how we would react there wouldn’t be much point in making the trip into physical reality.

If you must think in limited terms of "god", then in my strange view, we all ADD to the conscious awareness of the One THROUGH our experience. Our knowledge becomes part of a collective consciousness which, if you must, you could call god, but only if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy. The downside to doing so is that the label won't actually aid your understanding of the larger dynamics involved, in fact, I’d suggest it would only serve to limit your perception through an unnecessarily distorted filter.

But heck, what would I know about all this, lol. I'm such a dork.

 

[science_is_my_god]

1. If god is omniscient, he will know everything that will happen.
2. He then, in turn, gives humans free will.
3. He knows that, with his omniscience, how humans will use their free will.
4. Logically, humans can NOT use their free will to make a decision other than what the god already knows humans will decide.
5. Thus, humans don't have control over their decisions.

So, logically, one of the following must be true:

A. Humans do NOT have free will
B. God is not omniscient
C. There is no god.

 

[Quagmire]

It's possible. If god is omnipotent, He should be able to turn off His omniscience if He wanted to.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Beaudrreaux,

Originally Posted by Beaudreaux
Is it possible for you to do ANYthing that God did not already know you would do?

The other response is that your statement/question ASSUMES that there is such a *god*.
CONSCIOUSNESS is there and it knows/tells nothing as Consciousness is not an *IT*; non can describe consciousness.
On the other hand *god* is just a concept.
Love & rgds

 

[Draka]

In my opinion, yes, as I don't believe the Divine Essence is a singular cognitive entity in the first place to even be omniscient. The gods and goddesses that manifest from it are not fortune tellers, but guides with the accumulated knowledge of the Divine which is contributed to by all existence. We make our own decisions and future with influences of karma and our own spirit knowledge.

 

[JMorris]

It's possible. If god is omnipotent, He should be able to turn off His omniscience if He wanted to.

lol, its a bit D&D God Edition. can god make a saving throw? sillyness, maybe we should debate the motherlyness of Mother Goose

 

[Enoch07]

1. If god is omniscient, he will know everything that will happen.
2. He then, in turn, gives humans free will.
3. He knows that, with his omniscience, how humans will use their free will.
4. Logically, humans can NOT use their free will to make a decision other than what the god already knows humans will decide.
5. Thus, humans don't have control over their decisions.

So, logically, one of the following must be true:

A. Humans do NOT have free will
B. God is not omniscient
C. There is no god.

Just because God knows the decision you make doesn't change the fact that YOU made the decision. He did not make the decision for you. He just knew you was gonna make it. Thought I proved that already. :yes:

 

[Just_me_Mike]

There are several threads going on about omniscience and free will and I have asked this question in them all. To date, no one has answered. So, I am starting a thread dedicated to the question in the hopes that someone will have the intellectual integrity to respond honestly. The question is not loaded, leading or a trick question. It is straightforward and is properly answered with a "yes" or a "no" with follow up explanation welcome. The question is:

Is it possible for you to do ANYthing that God did not already know you would do?
​

I eagerly await responses.

My two cents:
It depeneds on the God you are referring too, but I think the God of the old and new testament has it impossible for us to do anything without him knowing it. I think there are many references to this in the bible.