DavyCrocket2003
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Wow. You don't think that's remarkable? Even though it is so drastically different from your world view? I find it remarkable that you don't see that as remarkable. Huh.
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Is it Possible to Experience God?
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Wow. You don't think that's remarkable? Even though it is so drastically different from your world view? I find it remarkable that you don't see that as remarkable. Huh.
Ben Dhyan
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Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
ROFL, that's deserves its own thread Sunstone.
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...t-arguing-someone-who-doesnt.html#post2292824
ellenjanuary
Well-Known Member
The Gwynnite theology of everything, ya ready?
What is tao? For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Say one has this shovel, pushes it across the ground, and all this dirt piles up. Eventually, the pusher runs out of push. So is tao merely inertia? Partly. As tao is often represented as yin and yang, I have another duality - particle and wave. We are all "of particle." The union of male and female is balance, but it is also a summation of particle - two together mass one.
Wait a minute, I'm getting there...
God, I see, expresses to the individual in the manner of "prophets." (I have a whole hypothesis, ain't gonna fit, so I'll skim) To me, a "prophet" happens when one has a spontaneous quantum leap of self-awareness. The brain, however; has ingrained protections against the mind getting ahead of itself. Thus it projects agency upon this sudden increase in awareness; an agency that is nothing more than the aspect of the personality of the "prophet." This constructed personality acts as a guide across the landscape of the increased awareness.
So, if one sees god in nature, or one has a wolf spirit guide; I see in in a sense of being part of the same kinda thing. An increase awareness is becoming knowledgeable of ecology on a spiritual level, coming to see the great interconnectedness of things.
What does that have to do with particles and waves? Physical inertia is a matter of particle. Spiritual inertia is a matter of wave. And all things have a degree of spiritual inertia. Rocks, trees, birds, pedestrians; all of these things essentially sing their song as part of the celestial harmony. The basis of tao is that all things are in motion, and science has verified that hypothesis. What science has yet to verify is patterns of place and being. The rock on the common path sings its song of being. If the foot of the walker is familiar with the path; there is no need for the mind to be consciously aware of the rock, its song is part of the symphony of the path. If the mind of the walker is busy worrying about bills, for instance, instead of walking the path - sure enough, that rock is going to "jump out" and trip up that walker.
And we all sing of our being in spiritual waveform. We all move through life as if there is a path through life made for us to move, and there is; that is what it is to be in celestial harmony. But insisting what the individual knows is somehow mystical or occult tends to give a supernatural flavor to that which is the very essence of nature. No supernatural need apply; nature is your all-sufficient guide.
Did that make any sense? All these words and no Gwynnie? OK - I love you Gwynnies. OK... now I'm done.
What is tao? For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Say one has this shovel, pushes it across the ground, and all this dirt piles up. Eventually, the pusher runs out of push. So is tao merely inertia? Partly. As tao is often represented as yin and yang, I have another duality - particle and wave. We are all "of particle." The union of male and female is balance, but it is also a summation of particle - two together mass one.
Wait a minute, I'm getting there...
God, I see, expresses to the individual in the manner of "prophets." (I have a whole hypothesis, ain't gonna fit, so I'll skim) To me, a "prophet" happens when one has a spontaneous quantum leap of self-awareness. The brain, however; has ingrained protections against the mind getting ahead of itself. Thus it projects agency upon this sudden increase in awareness; an agency that is nothing more than the aspect of the personality of the "prophet." This constructed personality acts as a guide across the landscape of the increased awareness.
So, if one sees god in nature, or one has a wolf spirit guide; I see in in a sense of being part of the same kinda thing. An increase awareness is becoming knowledgeable of ecology on a spiritual level, coming to see the great interconnectedness of things.
What does that have to do with particles and waves? Physical inertia is a matter of particle. Spiritual inertia is a matter of wave. And all things have a degree of spiritual inertia. Rocks, trees, birds, pedestrians; all of these things essentially sing their song as part of the celestial harmony. The basis of tao is that all things are in motion, and science has verified that hypothesis. What science has yet to verify is patterns of place and being. The rock on the common path sings its song of being. If the foot of the walker is familiar with the path; there is no need for the mind to be consciously aware of the rock, its song is part of the symphony of the path. If the mind of the walker is busy worrying about bills, for instance, instead of walking the path - sure enough, that rock is going to "jump out" and trip up that walker.
And we all sing of our being in spiritual waveform. We all move through life as if there is a path through life made for us to move, and there is; that is what it is to be in celestial harmony. But insisting what the individual knows is somehow mystical or occult tends to give a supernatural flavor to that which is the very essence of nature. No supernatural need apply; nature is your all-sufficient guide.
Did that make any sense? All these words and no Gwynnie? OK - I love you Gwynnies. OK... now I'm done.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Wow. You don't think that's remarkable? Even though it is so drastically different from your world view? I find it remarkable that you don't see that as remarkable. Huh.
Apparently, some people find just about anything remarkable.
waitasec
Veteran Member
well, i can ask the same thing about belief in santa, or god?
what's the point in bothering about it?
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Hi ellenj,
Yes, the wave structure of matter does support the intuitive insight of the underlying the oneness of the apparent duality of nature. However the male/yang and female ying are intrinsic to the so called particle itself in the form of incoming ying and outgoing yang spherical waves. But these terms ying and yang are merely relative, it is the one essence of the free flow of Tao.
http://ryanhagan.net/mike/StandingWave3D/StandingWave3D.htm
As Albert intuited, these standing waves of so called matter depend on the free low of cosmic energy (breath, spirit, pneuma, sound, aum, etc..) for their manifestation.
"Concerning matter, we have been all wrong. What we have called matter is energy, whose vibration has been so lowered as to be perceptible to the senses. There is no matter."
Albert Einstein
DavyCrocket2003
Well-Known Member
well, i can ask the same thing about belief in santa, or god?
what's the point in bothering about it?
Hmm... I think these are two totally different cases. The whole argument of the believer is that one CAN come to know God. That is definitely debatable. If God truly was unknowable (as many believe) then yes, there would be no sense in bothering with the idea. Santa on the other hand... I think that is something quite different. Don't you? I mean, does anyone claim to have met him or anything like that? I think that most people are quite aware that Santa is make believe.
Depends on whether a priori (something understood, that's derived only through reasoning) counts as an experience - i.e. the experience of thinking.
ellenjanuary
Well-Known Member
I don't think so, UV.
If one has an experience of god on a personal level and does not seek an understanding of god on a more objective level (like talking about it here on the forums and sharing understanding with others and their experiences of god), then that one does not achieve spiritual maturity. That one tends to end up with a Harvey.
If one has an experience of god on a personal level and does not seek an understanding of god on a more objective level (like talking about it here on the forums and sharing understanding with others and their experiences of god), then that one does not achieve spiritual maturity. That one tends to end up with a Harvey.
Isn't there a rather marked difference between understanding and experiencing?
That sounds like a whole discussion topic in itself.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
In my experience, it certainly was, UltraNewVioletReality. At each juncture where I encountered my visions of "god", those visions mirrored my existing beliefs perfectly. The image of a star, brighter than a billion suns, reflected my concept of god at the time. The image of an oddly glistening void wherein I was not really even conscious of anything else (that came later) reflected perfectly my beliefs... likewise my 8 hour visit with Vishnu lallygagging in a transcendent "ocean" reflected perfectly my views at that time. The "end game" for me was when I focused in on the mind-bogglingly massive eyes of Vishnu. I could see something reflected in them and that is what really threw me for a loop.
Suffice to say that, after these, and several other experiences I began to question the usefulness of labeling experiences as experiences of god. Wonderful, entertaining and awesome, for sure. But it seemed that every experience eclipsed the previous view... to the point that holding a given view became quite meaningless. At that point, my concept of god began to dissolve and I began to pay more attention to how my beliefs affected my experience. Once I did that, well, that is where the real fun began...
Woot... my 10,000th post.
(Written while playing Diablo II, no less... lol)
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ellenjanuary
Well-Known Member
Congratulations, Ymir!Woot... my 10,000th post.
I must be doing it backwards.
My first experience is like my only experience; later events seem to link backwards in time, give me more perspective now on then.
Nadia Faiazova
Member
Hi! My view is: You cannot experience God, like some some ordinary feeling of joy or sadness. Why? Because "God is a Spirit".(John 4:24). However, you can try to understand what kind of person God is. Bible encourages us to do this."For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the worlds creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable" (Romans 1:20)