Is it Possible to Prove Being the Messiah?

[sooda]

I know what scholars think, I don't agree, and can show how the mechanisms being used in Isaiah are highly complex, and requires a certain level of understanding to write that way (computer code) throughout.

Most people who follow scholars are going the wrong way; they generally have an idea about the texts, like scientist have a hypothesis, there are always better understandings within the actual data.

In my opinion.

Computer code has nothing to do with Isaiah.. Most of the OT has been redacted and amended many times.

Most prophecy was written after the facts anyway.

Even Genesis and Exodus were taken from separate stores from Israel and Judah and cobbled together during the reign of King Omri.

For instance, there were no camels in Palestine or Egypt in 900 BC.. so you know that the Exodus story and the story of Abraham were written long after that.... and the Ishmaelites who took Joseph into Egypt as a slave didn't have camels.

 

[Trailblazer]

I can show by evidence exactly why Yeshua was the fulfilment of Hebraic prophecy, and how I'm the continuation of it...

Go ahead and show me.

I'm willing to question all perspectives in detail; show us the evidence why I should even accept Baha'u'llah as a Hebraic prophet?

I never claimed that Baha'u'llah was a Hebraic prophet. I claimed He was the return of the Christ Spirit, the Messiah of the OT, and the Promised One of all the religions.

He had no understanding about Yeshua's real reason for coming, and instead has literally taught opposite like the Pharisees (John, Paul, and Simon).

In my opinion.

What do you think Yeshua's real reason for coming was?
I believe that Baha'u'llah had a complete understanding of Yeshua's real reason for coming. For example:

“Know thou that when the Son of Man yielded up His breath to God, the whole creation wept with a great weeping. By sacrificing Himself, however, a fresh capacity was infused into all created things. Its evidences, as witnessed in all the peoples of the earth, are now manifest before thee. The deepest wisdom which the sages have uttered, the profoundest learning which any mind hath unfolded, the arts which the ablest hands have produced, the influence exerted by the most potent of rulers, are but manifestations of the quickening power released by His transcendent, His all-pervasive, and resplendent Spirit.

We testify that when He came into the world, He shed the splendor of His glory upon all created things. Through Him the leper recovered from the leprosy of perversity and ignorance. Through Him, the unchaste and wayward were healed. Through His power, born of Almighty God, the eyes of the blind were opened, and the soul of the sinner sanctified.

Leprosy may be interpreted as any veil that interveneth between man and the recognition of the Lord, his God. Whoso alloweth himself to be shut out from Him is indeed a leper, who shall not be remembered in the Kingdom of God, the Mighty, the All-Praised. We bear witness that through the power of the Word of God every leper was cleansed, every sickness was healed, every human infirmity was banished. He it is Who purified the world. Blessed is the man who, with a face beaming with light, hath turned towards Him.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 85-86

 

[Desert Snake]

Interesting. Are you saying that Josephus has used the Anglo name for Yehoshua?

Iesous. [Jesus

 

[wizanda]

Computer code has nothing to do with Isaiah.

Isaiah defines it self similar to a computer code system, so for example if we look up every word 'Maher Shalal Hash Baz' across Isaiah, it is defined by additional entries in classes, it isn't written in a standard writing style.

So people like scholars, Rabbinic Jews, clerically minded history people, are all reading Isaiah wrong, as it is more like poetic scatting, than an essay.

Most prophecy was written after the facts anyway.

Zechariah son of Berechiah was foretold 500 years in the future (Isaiah 8:1, Zechariah 1:1), and Yeshua Elohim 700 years (Isaiah 52:10), etc.

In my opinion.

 

[Desert Snake]

Isaiah defines it self similar to a computer code system, so for example if we look up every word 'Maher Shalal Hash Baz' across Isaiah, it is defined by additional entries in classes, it isn't written in a standard writing style.

So people like scholars, Rabbinic Jews, clerically minded history people, are all reading Isaiah wrong, as it is more like poetic scatting, than an essay.

Zechariah son of Berechiah was foretold 500 years in the future (Isaiah 8:1, Zechariah 1:1), and Yeshua Elohim 700 years (Isaiah 52:10), etc.

In my opinion.

I believe it's more to do, with a focus, a religious perspective, that they have mistakenly adhered to, which is why 'christian' and 'rabbinical' studies often seem the same. Rabbinical studies are in a certain perspective, and christians may not understand that. The academics are totally lost, as they also don't understand that.

There were different groups in Israel , with differing beliefs. So, what we have are the texts, [what we discuss, and thusly a mistake there can mess up the answers.

 

[wizanda]

Go ahead and show me.

Here is a link to an article justifying Yeshua's fulfilment of Hebraic prophecy...

As for me having the New Name of the Messiah, we can educate people to be better in exegesis on here; showing by debate where people have failed at understanding some prophecies, and justifying that it has my name there when we look closely.

• Sandalphon (Judaism),
• Yeshua (Sananda) (New Name of Christ),
• Kalki/Skanda/Sanananda (Hinduism),
• Ahura Mazda + Saoshyant (Zand = Exegesis) (Zoroastrianism),
• Maitreya (Ananda) (Buddhism),
• Our Elohim Zion (Psalms 146:10, Psalms 147:12, Isaiah 52:7),
• etc.

I never claimed that Baha'u'llah was a Hebraic prophet. I claimed He was the return of the Christ Spirit, the Messiah of the OT, and the Promised One of all the religions.

According to Biblical prophecy, what Baha'u'llah stated is a condemnable belief Biblically; that no prophet would endorse, as it is morally wrong sorry.

“Know thou that when the Son of Man yielded up His breath to God, the whole creation wept with a great weeping. By sacrificing Himself, however, a fresh capacity was infused into all created things.

This statement is Anti-Christ, it is the same as John, Paul, and Simon the Pharisees taught; not the same as Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels:

Yeshua came to teach the knowledge of God, and was murdered by the Leaders (Sadducees, Levites, Pharisees) of our people; proving ungodly men are not trustworthy, not that God is psychopathic.

Know thou that when the Son of Man. - Yeshua didn't do his own will, he allowed the Source of reality to fulfil prophecy through him (Luke 22:42).

yielded up His breath to God. - John & Paul teach jesus came to die, and offered himself up as a sacrificial lamb; he was a human being with a family, and was murdered in front of his mum.

the whole creation wept with a great weeping. - Creation didn't weep for the fulfilment of God's plan, it wept because mankind didn't understand what it has done.

By sacrificing Himself. - Claiming a human being is a sacrifice isn't Kosher, Yeshua came to remove sacrifice by showing God gives what is needed to remove sin, simply by believing in the power of repentance (Yeshua).

Thus his full Hebrew name Yehoshua means the Lord Saves, thus by understanding that the Source of our reality offers Salvation (Yeshua) freely, all we have to do is ask for repentance in that name...

What came about after by the Pharisees (Christianity), where they were teaching murder for atonement, was prophesied to mislead everyone, where they've made a covenant with death, which is the Bed of Adultery (Isaiah 28:9-21, Revelation 2:2).

however, a fresh capacity was infused into all created things. - This is teaching the same as the Pharisaic oral tradition that Yeshua literally challenged them for in Mark 7:1-13: 'the death of the righteous can atone for the sins of that generation' - this is not Kosher, and is condemnable (Genesis 9:4-6).

We can not teach God sent a man to die as a human sacrifice to put energy back into reality, that God the Source of everything already had...

This is what Balaam teachings in the Bible (Micah 6:5-8), God doesn't require sacrifice, it is something we have done to please God; yet God through the prophets clearly said he didn't want it, he wants people to follow righteousness which is the knowledge of God.

Jude 1:11 stated that the early Christian Church had gone teaching to murder your brother (Cain) as a sacrifice (Balaam) will have people destroyed by God (Korah)...

Now because you're reading it from a commentary, on a commentary, on a commentary, according to the Law the contexts applied will send people to Hell.

Please ask if you would like the verses to understand any contexts in detail.

In my opinion.

 

[wizanda]

Rabbinical studies are in a certain perspective, and christians may not understand that.

Both have too many personal efforts to serve before just understanding what is stated; some of it is really blatant, yet they look for reward, rather than context.

The academics are totally lost, as they also don't understand that.

The academics are generally looking what is on a page; God doesn't only exist in pages.

In my opinion.

 

[Desert Snake]

There is an aspect to 'christianity', that I am not part of, do not associate with, at all. Now, beyond translation errors what not, there may be a certain association with what is basically strange ideas, set with within a Israelite context. Israelite groups being generalized as Jews, and further generalized, as one branch of religious belief, which was never the case, or not the case after a certain point, these strange ideas can be read into the new testament.

Unfortunately, you have 'good mixed with bad', in religious studies, ie the full use of Old Testament, [some of which judaism considers Ketuvim, so forth, ie 'good', mixed with strange ideas of specific sect or some sects, 'bad'.

Now, not necessarily so blatant in the new testament, however it can be read, there.

Besides religious obfuscation, which always affects texts, unfortunately, texts of this nature, multi'language and mixed books so forth.

That being said, thusly a discernment is necessary, as far as I'm concerned, [[there being correct teachings in the new testament.

 

[PruePhillip]

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You've seen what the bible says on those linked quotes. Fixed and immovable (and flat) smack at the center of everything.

Absolutely. The earth is the center of the solar system, the galaxy and the universe.
Who says so? Einstein. He pointed out that POV of the "observer" is primary. All
things move in relation to the observer. The bible is about the observer.

Thus, if you are on the sun you see the earth move around you.
If you are on the moon you see the earth and moon move around you.
If you are on the earth you see the sun and moon move around you.

Who is correct? You.

 

[Desert Snake]

Christianity should have been more careful in it's book canonization. Some material in the bible should have been noted as extra writings, like the conquest of Canaan, so forth. They should have contrasted the Epistles, to the canonization version of Genesis, as the Epistles 'tell us' that history, not the version with the added verses.
Theres a contradiction, there, in comparison

 

[blü 2]

Absolutely. The earth is the center of the solar system, the galaxy and the universe.

And, on your logic, so is every other point in the universe. Which very plainly isn't the view of the bible, whose authors have no idea whatsoever of relativity or that the sun is a star or that a star is a sun or what a light year is or that stars may be millions or billions of light years away. Instead if the stars come loose from the firmament to which they're attached, they'll fall to earth.

And again we're back at this weird phenomenon of your wishing knowledge of modern science on people who lived 2500-3000 years ago. Yet the evidence is right in front of you that instead we're dealing with a creation myth where 'the earth' can exist in the absence of the EM spectrum, and fruiting plants can exist before the 'great light' does, and birds can exist before land animals do, and land animals and people come into existence not by evolution but by magic.

Were I you I'd be saying to myself, 'Jeepers, gimme a break!'