Is it possible to understand the human mind?

[Starsoul]

If we take the human mind as that which thinks acts and perceives?
Is the human mind distinct from that which it perceives? What about unconscious action?

very good question.

The Human Mind (&body) is functioning at all fronts ,in its own cycle of life, with billions of programmes running and sustaining us, without conscious thought, or provocation.. like the unconscious chemical signals of the body e.g,read One cycle of molecular RNA (Ribo Nucleic acids, human microbiology) transferring imperceptible signals of messages to other cells in the human body, and it blows one's mind away at the complexity of micro molecular functions taking place continuously at all times, that we don't even have to perceive in order to derive our actions.

And then there is the subconscious action ;sometimes controlled by impulse, which is controlled by Nature, or sometimes by fear or sometimes desire or faith..I think, we, in the journey of this life learn to understand our minds first as we grow conscious of ourselves and then we tend to form a pattern of learning how to deal with it.

It is quite agree-able though that most often we can fail at percepting it meaningfully and purposefully, and thats where a divine guidance is of utmost importance (IMO). If man was self sufficient in perceiving his own conscious/subconscious/unconscious self, he would be anything but a man.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Do you think that the human mind is capable of understanding itself?

I would say yes, simply because we do not know yet.

 

[Willamena]

Or it is like moon reflected in a poodle.

Puddle.

 

[atanu]

Puddle.

Oh Thanks. I have been at least consistent with this mistake for long. I have corrected it.

I will speak from the perspective of Vedanta, wherein the mind is called 'chidaabhaasha' (appearance of intelligence). It is sort of a mirror that reflects the thoughts etc. Or it is like moon reflected in a puddle.

Mind is already known, as it is bundle of manifested things -- thoughts and objects, external and internal.

But the knower/seer of the mind cannot be known in a dual mode. The knower/seer that is sought to be known cannot be known and seen as separate from the knower/seer that is seeking. This is the fundamental of advaita (nondualism).

 

[jacksmith277]

yeah definetly human mind is capable to understand every thing that is main contrller f our part that regulate entire body...without control of brain you could not anything..it will bring you conceptual imagination that will help you to think upon new ideas.

 

[WyattDerp]

The moon reflected in poodles and/or puddles, that is easy... but can you understand the moon reflected in a pair of gophers?

Personally, I'm still struggling. But I strongly suspect if only I could understand this, no secret of the universe could be hidden from my gaze.

 

[atanu]

The moon reflected in poodles and/or puddles, that is easy... but can you understand the moon reflected in a pair of gophers?

Personally, I'm still struggling. But I strongly suspect if only I could understand this, no secret of the universe could be hidden from my gaze.

he he.

But moon reflected in poodle is as difficult to understand as moon reflected in gophers.

Willa made it easy.

 

[chinu]

Do you think that the human mind is capable of understanding itself?

Not human mind itself, human soul which is deep inside the mind is capable to understand what mind is

 

[dust1n]

Not human mind itself, human soul which is deep inside the mind is capable to understand what mind is

Maybe it's rough translation, but if the human soul is deep inside the mind, wouldn't that make it part of the mind?

Also, how does a human soul understand? Especially considering my soul is deep inside my mind, making it part of my mind, what's the difference between the soul understanding and the mind understanding?

 

[chinu]

Maybe it's rough translation, but if the human soul is deep inside the mind, wouldn't that make it part of the mind?

Neither mind itself is conscious, nor mind is the part of soul, mind is like a dodder which has no roots, but grows around the tree(soul) by taking food from it.

Also, how does a human soul understand? Especially considering my soul is deep inside my mind, making it part of my mind, what's the difference between the soul understanding and the mind understanding?

Mind understanding is that there's no God anywhere, and soul understanding is there's God somewhere, Don't you have both of these two understandings somewhere very deep ?

 

[dust1n]

Mind understanding is that there's no God anywhere, and soul understanding is there's God somewhere, Don't you have both of these two understandings somewhere very deep ?

No. I just have one understanding. I am not capable of holding contradictory understandings simultaneously.

 

[chinu]

No. I just have one understanding.

OK.. which one ?

 

[dust1n]

OK.. which one ?

That which my mind understands.

 

[chinu]

That which my mind understands.

MY MIND

It means that you and your mind are two different persons ? 1st one which is saying MY mind and second one is MIND itself

 

[Willamena]

Maybe it's rough translation, but if the human soul is deep inside the mind, wouldn't that make it part of the mind?

Also, how does a human soul understand? Especially considering my soul is deep inside my mind, making it part of my mind, what's the difference between the soul understanding and the mind understanding?

The whole universe is deep inside the mind. The mistake modern people make is in thinking that there is something that isn't the universe, namely the mind. When that is the case, then what I just said gives an image of "the universe as thought, separate from reality." Another case might be, "the universe, as thought, is reality." Of course, if the thought jumps back to the mistake once again, reality gets consumed by thought. A similar fate awaits the poor "soul."

Understanding is just that: standing "under" and seeing. We understand reality; reality is what we understand. There is no part of reality that we can genuinely say we don't understand; conversely, reality is what we understand. Inserting a divide between mind and reality makes the first half of these statements mean something different, something more, than the second half. That divide is artificial.

Recognizing that divide is akin to the ability to remove it--agency just thinks it away, but it returns. It's habit. Nevertheless, the memory of it's passing remains, and we understand a world without need for it. That's where we find soul.

 

[outis]

MY MIND

It means that you and your mind are two different persons ? 1st one which is saying MY mind and second one is MIND itself

a) when I say "my dick" it doesn't mean we're different persons
b) persons are created by minds, minds don't belong to persons (this is easily demonstrated but would break the forum's rules)
c) my mind means you to attribute what my fingers are writing to nobody (a person)

In Soviet Russia, you fool word games.

 

[Willamena]

a) when I say "my dick" it doesn't mean we're different persons
b) persons are created by minds, minds don't belong to persons (this is easily demonstrated but would break the forum's rules)
c) my mind means you to attribute what my fingers are writing to nobody (a person)

In Soviet Russia, you fool word games.

Linguistical rules, in English at least, automatically imply ("create") an owner for a "mine," and it's a very real owner, because those same rules were created by and for it. Without it we have no responsibility for what we say or do, no assumption of power or helplessness in the face of it, no means and no ways and no lack of means or ways. No blame, and no guilt, and no forgiving, and no regrets. Nobody's fingers typing.

 

[outis]

Nobody's fingers typing.

Indeed they are!