Is It Reasonable to Believe Gods Don't Exist?

[Bthoth]

??? -- But it is. It's a unit of heat.

Count Rumford and Humphry Davy who debunked the caloric theory as the use of 'S' and thermodynamics are now the accepted models used at the level of physics.

I have had many arguments on the topic defending Lavoisier and lost many times over.

 

[Audie]

Creationism is understood as common but most definitely not accepted as true or good knowledge.

I knew of a strange acceptance in the sciences that bridges into society. The calorie. Lavoisier's caloric had been long past discounted and left for dead in the scientific community but still used constantly in modern society as a tool to measure with.

Creationism is believed by half the American public to
be the one valid understanding of God's word
with truth beyond the understanding of science.

You got it roughly backwards.

Lavoisorr did the best he could in a dark
ignrant and superstitious time. And no,
his hypothesis of fire as a mysterious fluid
( that he trrmed " caloric") did not survive testing.

" Calor" is Latin for " heat". Lavoisirr thought " ca loric "
a good name for " heat fluid". CALORIC. NOT CALOR.
OR CALORIE.

Nobody has seen the word caloric since 1780 or wgenever it was. It has nothung to do with the calorie.

Or bulging into society or acceptancs in scien e.

Thats just weird.


There's nothing the least odd about using a form of the
word - calorie- as a unit of, yes, heat.

 

[Audie]

Please be specific.

Edit: I see the problem, the words 'defies'.

No

 

[We Never Know]

Millions of people believe a God or Gods exist for whatever reason.
Isn't just as reasonable for someone to believe that no Gods exist for whatever personal reasons they happen to have as well?

People say and claim lots of things about God as factual, however they go about justifying to themselves to make that claim.
How is it any different from making the claim that God doesn't exist as a matter of fact?

Joe claims God exists. Charlie claims God doesn't exist. Is there any wrong being done by either?

"Joe claims God exists. Charlie claims God doesn't exist. Is there any wrong being done by either?"

Both base their claims on empty evidence

If that's wrong, then yeah they both are wrong.

 

[Bthoth]

Creationism is believed by half the American public to
be the one valid understanding of God's word
with truth beyond the understanding of science.

The idea is a story of genesis but very few believe the book and literature is by a god. Man created the bible.

You got it roughly backwards.

Sorry, you are confused

Lavoisorr did the best he could in a dark
ignrant and superstitious time. And no,
his hypothesis of fire as a mysterious fluid
( that he trrmed " caloric") did not survive testing.

that is what i already knew but yet calories are still used in public measurement of food items.

" Calor" is Latin for " heat". Lavoisirr thought " ca loric "
a good name for " heat fluid". CALORIC. NOT CALOR.
OR CALORIE.

Nobody has seen the word caloric since 1780 or wgenever it was. It has nothung to do with the calorie.

The terms are used interchangeably in nutrition and do not need to be converted.

There's nothing the least odd about using a form of the
word - calorie- as a unit of, yes, heat.

I bet you could query 100 people and not get that description

Heat.......!

 

[ppp]

The idea is a story of genesis but very few believe the book and literature is by a god. Man created the bible.

In the US its around 40% of Christians who believe that the Bible is the written by God using men. Definitely not a "very few."

 

[Stonetree]

How does faith depart from the definition of "delusion?"

Simply put, faith is believing or trusting the not proven. Delusion is believing the disproved.

 

[ppp]

Simply put, faith is believing or trusting the not proven. Delusion is believing the disproved.

That is false. If I say that I saw a zebra in my back yard, you cannot disprove it, whether there it was a delusion or something else.

 

[Stonetree]

That is false. If I say that I saw a zebra in my back yard, you cannot disprove it, whether there it was a delusion or something else.

You have put the cart before the horse....Believing something that has been disproved is a delusion...." Those who believe Donald Trump won the Presidential Election of 2020 are delusional". Some might use this quote as an example.

 

[ppp]

You have put the cart before the horse....Believing something that has been disproved is a delusion...." Those who believe Donald Trump won the Presidential Election of 2020 are delusional". Some might use this quote as an example.

There is no requirement in the definition of delusion for "disproof"

Delusions are categorized into four different groups:

• Bizarre delusion: Delusions are deemed bizarre if they are clearly implausible and not understandable to same-culture peers and do not derive from ordinary life experiences.[2] An example named by the DSM-5 is a belief that someone replaced all of one's internal organs with someone else's without leaving a scar, depending on the organ in question.
• Non-bizarre delusion: A delusion that, though false, is at least technically possible, e.g., the affected person mistakenly believes that they are under constant police surveillance.
• Mood-congruent delusion: Any delusion with content consistent with either a depressive or manic state, e.g., a depressed person believes that news anchors on television highly disapprove of them, or a person in a manic state might believe they are a powerful deity.
• Mood-neutral delusion: A delusion that does not relate to the patient's emotional state; for example, a belief that an extra limb is growing out of the back of one's head is neutral to either depression or mania.[3].

 

[Stonetree]

there is no requirement in the definition of delusion for "disproof"

Perhaps try clearly implausible or false. I remember using a disclaimer, "Simply put". (#367)....I see nothing wrong with my post in the context I am using. Is that a medical definition you are using?

 

[Valjean]

Simply put, faith is believing or trusting the not proven. Delusion is believing the disproved.

No. Proof has nothing to do with it. The most robust theories of science haven't been proven.
It's about evidence. Faith is unfounded belief; belief with no or insufficient evidence.

Delusion is a belief held despite good, contrary evidence. This is an unfounded belief, ie: a delusion.

 

[Audie]

Simply put, faith is believing or trusting the not proven. Delusion is believing the disproved.

No.

 

[Audie]

Perhaps try clearly implausible or false. I remember using a disclaimer, "Simply put". (#367)....I see nothing wrong with my post in the context I am using. Is that a medical definition you are using?

You don't see anything because you stopped
looking.

 

[Audie]

The idea is a story of genesis but very few believe the book and literature is by a god. Man created the bible.

Sorry, you are confused

that is what i already knew but yet calories are still used in public measurement of food items.

The terms are used interchangeably in nutrition and do not need to be converted.


I bet you could query 100 people and not get that description

Heat.......!

Whatevs.

 

[Stonetree]

You don't see anything because you stopped
looking.

Yes, stopped looking but still peeking.

 

[Stonetree]

There is no requirement in the definition of delusion for "disproof"

Thank you for your response..

 

[Stonetree]

No. Proof has nothing to do with it. The most robust theories of science haven't been proven.
It's about evidence. Faith is unfounded belief; belief with no or insufficient evidence.

Delusion is a belief held despite good, contrary evidence. This is an unfounded belief, ie: a delusion.

Points taken, thank you.

 

[Heyo]

There is no requirement in the definition of delusion for "disproof"

It is required that disproof or strong contrary evidence doesn't (or wouldn't) change the false belief.

 

[Bthoth]

In the US its around 40% of Christians who believe that the Bible is the written by God using men. Definitely not a "very few."

Trusting the bible is true is not much better than trusting the news reports