The Australian rugby player is to be sacked after a social media post in which he also said "drunks, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists and idolaters" should "repent" because "only Jesus saves".
He also apparently wrote that "hell awaits" gay people, or perhaps he was referring to his entire list being hell-bound, which is undoubtedly what he has been taught to think.
This is standard Christian bigotry, which, as we see here, is mostly directed at law-abiding people like atheists, unmarried people having sex (fornicators), intoxicated people (drunks), and those worshiping other gods (idolators).
What do you think about his sacking?
I approve. Everything played out just as it should have. The athlete got to express the hatreds of his religion and to demonstrate to the world what his Bible and church teach him, and the Australian Rugby authorities got to show the world that they are better people than this hypocritical bigot who would probably tell you that his religion teaches loving one another, even as he condemns others to hell.
No, it's his opinion and he's allowed it.
And he was free to express it without being arrested. That's all that the principle of guaranteed free speech entitles one to. It doesn't protect one from being fired, boycotted, despised, shunned, having his social media account closed, or being verbally dressed down. Citizens are not the ones guaranteeing the right to free speech, and are not obligated to tolerate hateful language. They are only obligated to obey the law, which allows people to retaliate in the ways listed above as long as they are lawful behaviors
if people are allowed to say gays can marry, people should be allowed to say that hell awaits them
They are allowed to say that hell awaits them. This guy did. It cost him his job, and perhaps his professional rugby career, and possibly earned him the opprobrium of millions, but he wasn't arrested. That's all he's entitled to.
Hasn't everybody had enough opportunity to see what can happen when someone expresses these kinds of opinions, especially people in the public eye making their comments publicly? Think Paula Deen, Michael Richards (Kramer on Seinfeld), Phil Robertson (the Duck Dynasty bigot), Roseanne Barr, and Kevin Hart. What was this guy thinking? Has he been living under a rock? Are Australians unaware of the people named above and their fates?
There's not only a price to pay for certain kinds of comments, there's a price to pay for ignoring evidence and failing to conclude that if you're a celebrity and want to publicly scapegoat some target, you just might have to pay a large price. In free countries, you are allowed to express those opinions without fearing being arrested for expressing them, but it still might cost you.
Saying that every employee represents the company and therefore must espouse my personal beliefs is enslavement talk.
The message is that if an employees opinions hurt the business he works for according to his employer's judgment, that employer is free to replace that employee, perhaps even with somebody with the exact same opinions, but with the sense to censor himself or suffer the same fate. There's no enslavement in that understanding. It's an implied or, in the case of the Rugby league, an explicit contract. Both parties need to be satisfied for the relationship to continue.
Do those P's and Q's involve forgetting who you are and what you believe?
No. They involve showing judgment in expressing who you are and what you believe. Don't we all have to do that all of the time anyway? I played bridge yesterday with seven other people that I know very well, and with whom we socialize in other ways, as when we all went out to dinner together afterward. Judie is a Trump supporter from Arkansas, I am a liberal who wants to see Trump out of the White House, and who doesn't think much of the culture of the American South.
She and I never discuss politics for this reason. Yesterday, somebody else, a Canadian, challenged her on her conservatism, and Judie went into political mode, talking about Hillary being a criminal needing prosecution. I never opened my mouth, instead asking whose lead to the next trick it was. I never forgot who I was or what I believed, but I did mind my P's and Q's.
He has a right to his opinion no matter if its a popular one.
Then I'm sure that you agree that others have the right to their opinions about him, and what they think should be the consequences of him exercising his right.
All that appears to be being done here is that people with socially conservative and religious views are being shut down and told to keep them to themselves, while their liberal counterparts are allowed to speak freely.
People that actually embrace the principles such as loving one another that religious bigots like this athlete claim for themselves but don't embody are telling these people that they need to conform to a prevailing social standard if they wish to engage society. They don't need to think any particular way, but if they choose to express those thoughts or act on them, there may be social consequences.
My father was a bigot, and my mother a social justice warrior. How they got together remains a mystery. My father had the greater influence on me initially, and as a teenager, I was making racist and bigoted comments to my friends in school, who were mostly raised in liberal households (it was the late 60's in Southern California).
These people let me know in no uncertain terms that my expressed conservative opinions were hateful, and that they disapproved of my voicing them - pretty much what you are describing here. That pressure affected my behavior immediately, and my beliefs eventually. It was a constructive social pressure, and I approve of it being used wherever helpful.
No, this isn't alright. It's just culture's way of holding yet another group down just because it's not socially acceptable to have a certain view right now. Sorry, you don't get to do that.
Actually, they do get to do that if they do so legally. Some groups need to be opposed. Think Charlottesville and the bigots with tiki torches marching. Those people hate you and me, you for your faith and me for my lack of it and for being politically liberal, and it's alright with me if they are subjected to some blow-back.
I would suggest everyone here who is so hung up on punishing someone for expressing an opinion to stop and reflect for a bit. Because you need to realize it's a 2 way street. Today your punishing someone for their opinion, tomorrow it could be you being punished for yours.
I'm good with that. As I mentioned above when discussing Judie at bridge, I have opinions that I never express because of that fact, and that is fine.