Is it right to deny the American people jobs because of your religion?

[Reverend Rick]

Yes, being a green President is a religion. The government has spent billions on the Chevy Volt and sold less than 10,000 of them.

Solyndra received millions for solar panels and went bankrupt.

The sad truth is, the American people are going to use coal for electricity and dino dung to propel our cars for a while longer.

The green jobs did not happen like our President had wished, it was a total failure.

What we can do is put in a pipe line and give American's high paid union jobs. Many states already have pipe lines that are eco-friendly. When we said that the caribou would be impacted in Alaska by the pipe line we put in there several decades ago, the exact opposite occurred. The herds are fine and even use the pipe line as a place to get warm.

So what is the deal? Is Obama afraid that allowing a pipe line to be built and putting Americans back to work will upset his green friends? What are they going to do, start voting Republican?

What about his Union friends who do not have jobs because of his decision?

I can just imagine if a Republican president denied the people jobs because of his personal convictions what would be said.

Iran may block the straits of hormuz. Oil prices could double.

The pipe line would make our country more energy independant.

This is a no brainer and yet Obama stands between the American people and jobs.

 

[Reverend Rick]

No replies?

 

[gnomon]

I have so much disdain for Obama at this point of time I can't trust myself not to say something .............. un-Patriotic Actly.

 

[Reverend Rick]

I know the Presidents stance on this is we need more studies, but honestly with the world oils supplies in jeopardy and American's needing jobs, we really cannot afford to wait.

 

[Reverend Rick]

The best thing about the pipeline is, it will not cost the government anything. Is that the problem? Obama could not stand to see the private sector solve any problems?

 

[gnomon]

I know the Presidents stance on this is we need more studies, but honestly with the world oils supplies in jeopardy and American's needing jobs, we really cannot afford to wait.

I thought they already spent two years studying the pipeline. That even if the pipeline proposed a threat to the aquifer they had already written up a path to avoid the pipeline.

edit: Obama has to wait until after the general election.

 

[Reverend Rick]

I thought they already spent two years studying the pipeline. That even if the pipeline proposed a threat to the aquifer they had already written up a path to avoid the pipeline.

edit: Obama has to wait until after the general election.

He may be busy moving out by then.

 

[Kathryn]

Rick, the impact of this pipeline decision by our illustrious leader means that my husband may have to begin working out of the country again. Yes, again.

As we said on another thread though, at least he's got a job. No thanks to Obama and his crew though.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Rick, the impact of this pipeline decision by our illustrious leader means that my husband may have to begin working out of the country again. Yes, again.

As we said on another thread though, at least he's got a job. No thanks to Obama and his crew though.

The man just does not get it. His green jobs program failed the American people. It was a wonderful idea but not a workable solution at this time.

Why not wait till the economy can afford these things? He could not wait on green jobs but insists on waiting on the pipeline.

Right now, the federal government IS THE PROBLEM. They need to get out of the way and let the American people solve the problems we face RIGHT NOW.

The government does not have the money or the ability to get the economy going. The private sector does.

Where are all the people who have been complaining the private sector is sitting on money and won't create jobs?

Where is the 99%?

When gasoline hits five dollars a gallon will they still support the failed presidency?

 

[Reverend Rick]

Where are the Obama supporters?

 

[Mathematician]

How is it that of the major world economies, China and the United States are far behind in development and use of alternative energy?

Could it be that business has too large of a stranglehold and that we're insisting on covering our eyes with our hands instead of considering the impact on future generation? Are we that selfish?

The Chevy Volt was a success. There was more demand than the supply. No Volts are sold at discount. Chevy's goal was 10,000 and it made just under that by the final quarter. It's really sad that conservatives are wanting the green economy to collapse, but given how entrenched oil and coal are into people's wallets, it's no surprise. The Volt is one of the only cars in the world that can get up to 100 miles per gallon, and it's the only vehicle supported by a global satellite network that reports the cars status to an owner's smart phone. Really I'm surprised Rick that you don't know why it's such a big deal to initially sell innovative technology to wealthy people first so that the costs come down.

Nearly 50,000 Volts are planned for production this year. Some failure.

Read up:
http://www.thestreet.com/story/11354404/1/setting-it-straight-chevy-volt-vs-the-government.html

I'm really sickened by how "let's hope everything not related to big business fails" has become the new meme of conservatism. It explains why people like Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich are actually considered legitimate by the GOP, though.

 

[work in progress]

Okay! If there is one group I lose patience with, it's conservatives and libertarians (or whatever they call themselves these days) who can't use their brains well enough to distinguish between environment issues and green politics. In other words: if electric cars and solar panels aren't going to solve the looming environmental crisis, how dumb do you have to be to think that building more coal, tar sands oil, and fracking methane gas out of the ground will be the solution?

As for green capitalism...well, I'm not going to bother with electric cars anyway, because for most people besides a privileged elite, the environment and resource costs of air travel and private motorized transportation are coming to an end. So, green energy -- for the sake of argument, if you look up the Solyndra controversy on Wikipedia, the government loans started in 2005....so doesn't a little light go off in your head? Well, it should; because that means that the government partnership with Solydra began under the Bush Administration, long before Barack Obama had an opportunity to develop that relationship. And, for the sake of argument, when Foxnews, Republicans and other rightwing media go on a major offensive complete with millions of ads about an issue like Solyndra, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that there is likely a major oil company (anxious to maintain the more than 200 billion in annual tax credits and deferments to fossil fuels) kicking in money to finance the effort....and Politifact finds that the 13 million dollar ad campaign by Americans For Prosperity is mostly false: PolitiFact Florida | Solyndra ad claims President Barack Obama gave taxpayer money to help his campaign donors at failed solar company
I personally could care less about examining the chicken bones for the truth on this issue, because the most pertinent fact is that there are lobbies for oil, gas and coal, and a smaller lobby for green capitalism; while there is no money, and just a handful of scientists and writers who are examining the threat to the environment without applying the filter of maintaining present energy consumption and resource-use levels. And that's the issue that we have to deal with long after these two lone alternatives have been abandoned.

Both fossil fuels and green capitalism are going to lead us to a dead end, and the way forward will either be a cooperative effort worldwide to reduce population, resource use and energy use, or it will be a vicious fight for what's left as this present civilization collapses! Sorry to be a downer to those who think the good life will just keep rolling along, but it won't, because after all of the mumbo jumbo about economic theorizing is done, we still live on a finite planet, and all human activity in the future will have to deal with limits imposed on us by the natural limits of the biosphere.

 

[Mathematician]

Any outlet claiming to be authentic news that blatantly misreports or lies needs to be sued for damages. Other countries are much better at that.

 

[work in progress]

Any outlet claiming to be authentic news that blatantly misreports or lies needs to be sued for damages. Other countries are much better at that.

That's because they still have public media that is out of reach of politicians and business interests. It's worth noting that Greg Palast had to go work for the BBC to stay on his objective of keeping on the trail of vulture capitalists who have become billionaires. No American media, public or private, was interested in financing this operation that has cost billions to taxpayers all around the world.

I would include Canada in that group; except that our CBC is showing the obvious signs of avoiding controversy that has turned PBS and NPR into mush. It's sad that we have to go to the BEEB, or RT and Al Jazeera to hear a lot of stories that would have been on the nightly news, the Washington Post, or the New York Times, if they happened in the 60's or 70's, but this is a whole new era. It's off topic, but a good example of the change is how the MSM has responded to the case against Bradley Manning compared to platform they offered to Daniel Elsberg and his supporters when he published the Pentagon Papers!

 

[cablescavenger]

Yes, being a green President is a religion. The government has spent billions on the Chevy Volt and sold less than 10,000 of them.

Solyndra received millions for solar panels and went bankrupt.

The sad truth is, the American people are going to use coal for electricity and dino dung to propel our cars for a while longer.

The green jobs did not happen like our President had wished, it was a total failure.

What we can do is put in a pipe line and give American's high paid union jobs. Many states already have pipe lines that are eco-friendly. When we said that the caribou would be impacted in Alaska by the pipe line we put in there several decades ago, the exact opposite occurred. The herds are fine and even use the pipe line as a place to get warm.

So what is the deal? Is Obama afraid that allowing a pipe line to be built and putting Americans back to work will upset his green friends? What are they going to do, start voting Republican?

What about his Union friends who do not have jobs because of his decision?

I can just imagine if a Republican president denied the people jobs because of his personal convictions what would be said.

Iran may block the straits of hormuz. Oil prices could double.

The pipe line would make our country more energy independant.

This is a no brainer and yet Obama stands between the American people and jobs.

I heard they spent half a million dollars setting up a website to advertise green jobs, and there are no jobs on it

Funny how the govt spend half a million to do something everyone else manages to do with next to nothing.

 

[cablescavenger]

The man just does not get it. His green jobs program failed the American people. It was a wonderful idea but not a workable solution at this time.

Why not wait till the economy can afford these things? He could not wait on green jobs but insists on waiting on the pipeline.

Right now, the federal government IS THE PROBLEM. They need to get out of the way and let the American people solve the problems we face RIGHT NOW.

The government does not have the money or the ability to get the economy going. The private sector does.

Where are all the people who have been complaining the private sector is sitting on money and won't create jobs?

Where is the 99%?

When gasoline hits five dollars a gallon will they still support the failed presidency?

lol, you think you have it bad?
Over here in the UK we are currently paying £1.30 per litre, which is equivalent to $9.20 per gallon.

Haulage firms are going bust, and the ridiculous thing is that they are not able to compete with haulage firms abroad who fill their tanks up with petrol on the continent, because 60% of the cost of our petrol is tax.

 

[Reverend Rick]

So Gene and WIP, I take it you think that pipe line jobs are not important?

 

[4consideration]

Yes, being a green President is a religion. The government has spent billions on the Chevy Volt and sold less than 10,000 of them.

Solyndra received millions for solar panels and went bankrupt.

The sad truth is, the American people are going to use coal for electricity and dino dung to propel our cars for a while longer.

The green jobs did not happen like our President had wished, it was a total failure.

What we can do is put in a pipe line and give American's high paid union jobs. Many states already have pipe lines that are eco-friendly. When we said that the caribou would be impacted in Alaska by the pipe line we put in there several decades ago, the exact opposite occurred. The herds are fine and even use the pipe line as a place to get warm.

So what is the deal? Is Obama afraid that allowing a pipe line to be built and putting Americans back to work will upset his green friends? What are they going to do, start voting Republican?

What about his Union friends who do not have jobs because of his decision?

I can just imagine if a Republican president denied the people jobs because of his personal convictions what would be said.

Iran may block the straits of hormuz. Oil prices could double.

The pipe line would make our country more energy independant.

This is a no brainer and yet Obama stands between the American people and jobs.

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I agree.

Just can't (or won't) resist the urge to add my 2 cents:

(For any of you that don't realize it, the posting below is a joke.)

Edit: I have removed the comparison -- joke.

Even though I do actually believe that the comparision between the Green Energy religion and other religons (especially the historical practises of the Catholic church) are accurate comparisons -- I have found that I just don't feel right about presenting that comparison in the form of mocking those same attitudes, practises and structures.

Mocking is still mocking. I believe that we can do better than mocking each other. I don't believe that the solution to any problem is to turn around and do it to someone else. So, I cannot allow myself to do this to someone else while I still have the editing option to correct it. That's all.

 

[Panda]

Yes, being a green President is a religion. The government has spent billions on the Chevy Volt and sold less than 10,000 of them.

Solyndra received millions for solar panels and went bankrupt.

The sad truth is, the American people are going to use coal for electricity and dino dung to propel our cars for a while longer.

The green jobs did not happen like our President had wished, it was a total failure.

What we can do is put in a pipe line and give American's high paid union jobs. Many states already have pipe lines that are eco-friendly. When we said that the caribou would be impacted in Alaska by the pipe line we put in there several decades ago, the exact opposite occurred. The herds are fine and even use the pipe line as a place to get warm.

So what is the deal? Is Obama afraid that allowing a pipe line to be built and putting Americans back to work will upset his green friends? What are they going to do, start voting Republican?

What about his Union friends who do not have jobs because of his decision?

I can just imagine if a Republican president denied the people jobs because of his personal convictions what would be said.

Iran may block the straits of hormuz. Oil prices could double.

The pipe line would make our country more energy independant.

This is a no brainer and yet Obama stands between the American people and jobs.

IMO you are missing the point entirely with electric vehicles.

I think a lot of people don't realise the current ones are not total replacements for conventional vehicles but they are laying the ground work.

 

[Penumbra]

So Gene and WIP, I take it you think that pipe line jobs are not important?

Isn't that like asking,

"Reverend Rick, I take it you don't think taking care of the environment is important?"

Kind of a loaded question.

He made a call based on environmental/economic risk weighed against the chance to increase energy security and have several billion dollars invested in a large construction project.

From what I understand the project isn't dead and can be approved or altered through other means.