Is it wrong for religious people to listen to secular music?

[Yoshua]

That is interesting. God killed a ton of people. He is even described, in the Bible, as "angry and jealous." He is very vengeful, full of wrath, and committed or ordered, on multiple occasions, what we call genocide. And his book got many facts wrong. Could it not be said that your god is the enemy of truth? After all, it was the Church of your god who punished Galileo for discovering the truth of our solar system, and that is that the Sun, not the Earth, is the center of it. Darwin discovered the concept of Natural Selection, and it was the repercussions of your god's Church that made him hesitate in publishing his findings.

God is God. Our thinking and God's thinking cannot be measured.
John 3:16-21
16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God." NIV

God cannot be the enemy of truth for Jesus said this in John 14:6-7, Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. NIV

Did God forbid the discovery of truth, and science? or what is the truth between Darwin's and God's creation?

The laws of Satanism, however, mandate that no children be harmed (rather than "spare the rod, spoil the child"), no animal be given undo harm (which is more aligned with nature than humans as being above nature), and no rape victim would ever be required to marry their rapist. Christianity orders people to go around telling others to live as they do, Satan allows for tolerance and acceptance of humans as we are. There is no room or place for stoning adulterers, executing homosexuals, or burning witches under Satanism.

He is the deceiver, and the father of lies. Of course why he should tell you that no children or animal will be harmed. The truth of the scriptures already exposed who he is. I think you had a false idea on what you are saying about executing people in relation to Christianity.

With Satan, we do not live under the rule of "my way or the highway" that your god commands. And he won't order those who don't want him to rule over them to be slain (he doesn't want to rule over us anyways).

What you've said is absolutely right. He won't submit to his creator, and want to be like God. It is like a child who rebelled, disobeyed and won't submit his parents.

Isa 14:12-15
12 How you have fallen from heaven,
O morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
13 You said in your heart,
"I will ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain.
14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High."
15 But you are brought down to the grave,
to the depths of the pit. NIV

Thanks

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think you had a false idea on what you are saying about executing people in relation to Christianity.

Luke 19. Such an order is no where to be found in the Satanic Bible.

What you've said is absolutely right. He won't submit to his creator, and want to be like God. It is like a child who rebelled, disobeyed and won't submit his parents.

Parents who expect and demand their children be submissive towards them aren't good parents. You can be an excellent parent and raise fine children without expecting them to adhere to very strict and rigid rules that include severely harsh punishments for disobedience. And what of when the child becomes an adult? Does the child not naturally outgrow their dependence upon their parents, and begin to form their own ways in life without their parents telling them what to do?

He is the deceiver, and the father of lies. Of course why he should tell you that no children or animal will be harmed.

He never said they wouldn't be harmed, but it is Satanic Rules that children are not be harmed, animals are not to be killed unless for food or defense, you are to be a respectful guest, and to bother no one when out in public. (both books even agree about theft, but do you really even need religion to know why stealing is bad?)

 

[Yoshua]

Luke 19. Such an order is no where to be found in the Satanic Bible.

Hi Shadow,

So what the first three verses in Luke 19 has to do with? I don't get it. Of course, Christian Bible and Satanic Bible are not the same.

Parents who expect and demand their children be submissive towards them aren't good parents. You can be an excellent parent and raise fine children without expecting them to adhere to very strict and rigid rules that include severely harsh punishments for disobedience. And what of when the child becomes an adult? Does the child not naturally outgrow their dependence upon their parents, and begin to form their own ways in life without their parents telling them what to do?

Why parents become not good parents when their kids did not submit? My parents were strict and I was raised from a disciplined parents, now I realized that they did this for my own good. Now, I see and realized the fruit of their labor when I'm now having my own kids.

Haven't you notice that when we were studying in school, we submit to our teacher? We listen and follow is they told us to do our homework? If you are working in an office, same thing applies, we submit to our superiors (boss). How about a concerned citizen, we pay tax therefore we also submit to our government. The police and soldiers, do you think they should not submit to their superiors? How about you plan and propose to have your own business? you need to follow those application requirements. How about the wives, do you think they should not submit to their husband? Therefore, all things should include submission incorporate with obedience.

How can you live by your own without obedience and submission?

He never said they wouldn't be harmed, but it is Satanic Rules that children are not be harmed, animals are not to be killed unless for food or defense, you are to be a respectful guest, and to bother no one when out in public. (both books even agree about theft, but do you really even need religion to know why stealing is bad?)

It is not about the physical but spiritual. God promised eternal life not physical life. The scripture said this:
2 Cor 4:18
18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal. NIV

Then, why I don't see people who is perfect as not sinful or making a mistake?

Thanks for replying.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So what the first three verses in Luke 19 has to do with? I don't get it.

Read the rest of the chapter.

Of course, Christian Bible and Satanic Bible are not the same.

Obviously. I find the Satanic Bible to contain a far high sense of morality than the Christian Bible.

Haven't you notice that when we were studying in school, we submit to our teacher? We listen and follow is they told us to do our homework? If you are working in an office, same thing applies, we submit to our superiors (boss). How about a concerned citizen, we pay tax therefore we also submit to our government. The police and soldiers, do you think they should not submit to their superiors? How about you plan and propose to have your own business? you need to follow those application requirements. How about the wives, do you think they should not submit to their husband? Therefore, all things should include submission incorporate with obedience.

Blind submissiveness is not something I do. Yes, I slow down while I'm driving in town, but only because I don't want to pay the fine for a speeding ticket. It has nothing to do with respecting or obeying authority, but what suits my purposes.
If someone asks me, I am typically cooperative (but not always). However, when people start telling me what to do, I am prone to questioning, challenging, and becoming oppositional. I have even argued with bosses and told them no, I have told my parents no, I've even told teachers when I can't do something as instructed.

How about the wives, do you think they should not submit to their husband?

I want to put extra emphasis on this. Why should a wife be submissive to her husband? Why should the husband not be submissive towards his wife? Or, better yet, why should they not treat and approach each other as equals?

Why parents become not good parents when their kids did not submit? My parents were strict and I was raised from a disciplined parents, now I realized that they did this for my own good. Now, I see and realized the fruit of their labor when I'm now having my own kids.

Children can have plenty of freedom, including the freedom to make and learn from their own mistakes. They do not need a leash and collar, but rather a guiding hand.

Then, why I don't see people who is perfect as not sinful or making a mistake?

I am not a sinner (I refuse to let an ancient book degrade me such a way), and making mistakes is how we learn and gain expertise. Life would be too dull and boring if we did everything perfectly the first time-every time. The journey is just as much of an experience as the destination.

 

[arthra]

I listen to all types of music, but upon returning to faith, I wonder if it's wrong (for want of a better word) to listen to certain types of music, with lyrics that might be too worldly. Thing is, a lot of hip hop and dance music is really fun and has a great beat...so, it's hard to turn it off, sometimes. lol
If you are religious, do you think there is anything wrong with listening to secular hip hop music, or secular music in general?

Under certain circumstances you probably can't avoid hearing "secular music" as it mostly fills the media...television, radio CD's etc. While not a musician I've always appreciated classical music and lately love to hear the voice of Puccini and other artists... I recall one of my favorite recordings in my late teens was Claude Debussy's "Le Martyre de Saint Sébastien"

but being Baha'i I also love Persian chants:

 

[Ponder This]

I think that there are multiple ways in which we listen to music. What does it mean to listen to music "in general"? That's vague. Without context there really isn't any answer to your question and no way to say that listening to any particular music is "wrong". Religious music is played in religious contexts. Concert music is played at concerts. You wouldn't normally play wedding music at a funeral or funeral music at a wedding. So I think that instead of focusing on whether or not it is "wrong" to listen to music, you could instead focus on when and how you listen to music. Ask yourself: "is this music appropriate to this place and this time?" Cultivate your awareness and your aesthetic. Then find balance in your life.

 

[rusra02]

I listen to all types of music, but upon returning to faith, I wonder if it's wrong (for want of a better word) to listen to certain types of music, with lyrics that might be too worldly. Thing is, a lot of hip hop and dance music is really fun and has a great beat...so, it's hard to turn it off, sometimes. lol

If you are religious, do you think there is anything wrong with listening to secular hip hop music, or secular music in general?

I think there is little doubt music has power to affect our feelings and even our viewpoints. Debasing music often features themes of violence, immorality, rebellion, and other unsavory messages. I do not mean that all secular music is bad. Rather, discernment is needed to "hate what is bad." (Psalm 97:10) A beautiful or gripping melody often masks poisonous lyrics that can affect our heart. BTW, I believe much religious music conveys false teachings about God and his Son.

 

[Yoshua]

Read the rest of the chapter.

Ok. I read it. Then what particular verses here you are pointing at? about the king Jesus?

Obviously. I find the Satanic Bible to contain a far high sense of morality than the Christian Bible.

Really? God is moral ever since. Without God, there is no moral. What did the Satanic Bible has told you about morality?

Blind submissiveness is not something I do. Yes, I slow down while I'm driving in town, but only because I don't want to pay the fine for a speeding ticket. It has nothing to do with respecting or obeying authority, but what suits my purposes.
If someone asks me, I am typically cooperative (but not always). However, when people start telling me what to do, I am prone to questioning, challenging, and becoming oppositional. I have even argued with bosses and told them no, I have told my parents no, I've even told teachers when I can't do something as instructed.

Absolutely, we have the freedom to say no. God created us with free will. We are not created like a puppet but when it come submissiveness, it should be balance. If God has an angel to be His messenger, and those angels submit to their creator, I don't see any reason why people shouldn't have subordinates (below them) that eventually will follow and submit to them. Therefore, if I may ask you, did you want your kids will act the same thing as you did?

I want to put extra emphasis on this. Why should a wife be submissive to her husband? Why should the husband not be submissive towards his wife? Or, better yet, why should they not treat and approach each other as equals?

Eph 5:22-24
22 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. NIV

Also, Jesus Christ submit to His Father therefore I don't think that is unfair to all who will apply the submission.

Children can have plenty of freedom, including the freedom to make and learn from their own mistakes. They do not need a leash and collar, but rather a guiding hand.

I agree with you. Parents has their own style of disciplining their kids but not to the point of ungodly practice.

I am not a sinner (I refuse to let an ancient book degrade me such a way), and making mistakes is how we learn and gain expertise. Life would be too dull and boring if we did everything perfectly the first time-every time. The journey is just as much of an experience as the destination.

I may say that I'm also not a sinner, but I can't live in a lie because the truth is--no man is perfect--as God, I believed it is only Jesus Christ who is sinless.

Rom 3:10-17
"There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands,
no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one."
13 "Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit."
"The poison of vipers is on their lips."
14 "Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness."
15 "Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 ruin and misery mark their ways,
17 and the way of peace they do not know." NIV

Thanks

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Ok. I read it. Then what particular verses here you are pointing at? about the king Jesus?

Luke 19:27
Do you wish to start a new thread to carry on this discussion? We are getting way off topic of secular music.