Is it wrong that I wish all humans were dead ?

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I consider that no government does a good job , all religion is quite false and we are all selfish when it comes to survival . We quite clearly don't really care about the needy etc and are all quite horrible people .
I don't think we deserve to live and call ourselves the superior species .

I think that is a pretty dystopian view, to be honest, and if it is what you truly think, then I wonder why it is you yourself continue to live.

And that really is the point. Life, whether you think it's a gift or "just is," is precious to those who are living. What, then, is so very wrong with at least some amount of selfishness in order to ensure that we keep living? I know a few people who are generous to a fault, and yet feel no shame in making sure that their own families are taken care of.

And to suppose that any government could do a "good job," only if by which you mean satisfies every constituency, is setting the goal impossibly high. Certainly, right now, there's a bit of kerfuffle in the US government (and quite a few others, actually) but the only governments that anyone can legitimately expect to "do a good job" for their citizens are the ones that are essentially the creation of their citizens...that is, true democracies. Donald Trump may be a screw up, Teresa May may be botching Brexit, Justin Trudeau may be too dumb to really grasp what he thinks he's trying to do, but the US, Britain and Canada can dump each of them at the next election...and possibly even before. That should give you reason for at least a little hope.

 

[WalterTrull]

dystopian

Love it when I have to look up words. Thanks.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I consider that no government does a good job , all religion is quite false and we are all selfish when it comes to survival . We quite clearly don't really care about the needy etc and are all quite horrible people .
I don't think we deserve to live and call ourselves the superior species .

So you've never seen the fruits of my works and what I do everyday? Hmmm I guess me helping humans not kill themselves means by default that according to your synopsis of humanity's seflfishness I should be dead. Well, I never like to advocate suicide but if you wish all humans are dead then by all means be the first example.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Love it when I have to look up words. Thanks.

Wonderful. Then a little word play for you.

Thomas More (under Henry VIII) wrote a book about what he thought would be the "perfect society." He called it Utopia, essentially a Greek construction meaning "No Place." If he had chosen to write "Eutopia," that would have meant, again from Greek, "Good Place," the word eu in Greek meaning good. Thus, the derivation of the word dystopian, from the Greek "dys" meaning bad, ill or abnormal. A bad place.

I love words.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I don't need to speak for you when I already know , it is human nature , everybody is selfish in one way or another .
So please don't try to say you are any different , you'll have faults if you looked for them .

You have everyone figured out now! You don't even know @ChristineM Like I said if you wish that all humans cease to exist you be our example first.

 

[james blunt]

I think that is a pretty dystopian view, to be honest, and if it is what you truly think, then I wonder why it is you yourself continue to live.

I see and hear of suffering all the time , so no it is not a dystopia view , it is an observed view .

 

[james blunt]

You have everyone figured out now! You don't even know @ChristineM Like I said if you wish that all humans cease to exist you be our example first.

I don't know a feminist when I come across one ?

We all go together ..............

But yes I have the universe and all that is in it figured out .

 

[WalterTrull]

I love words.

Cool. a true linguaphile

 

[james blunt]

Cool. a true linguaphile

Semantics ........

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I see and hear of suffering all the time , so no it is not a dystopia view , it is an observed view .

Yes, I see and hear of suffering a lot too. But I wonder if you've looked around, and noticed that mostly it's not suffering that predominates -- at least in most of the western world -- and that enormous numbers of real people go out of their way to try to help those who do suffer. I'm not just talking about doctors and nurses, but about the people who help out on the street, or who contribute so generously to "Go Fund Me" campaigns for people in need. I'm talking about the friend or acquaintance who tries to help someone coping with the loss of a loved one, or a job.

Look around, there's lots to see...

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I don't know a feminist when I come across one ?

We all go together ..............

But yes I have the universe and all that is in it figured out .

See you wish all humans to die but you don't have the guts to do it yourself first...yes this thread is just to troll. Like I said, I serve human beings every single day for the last 15 year clinically. You don't know me, and I don't know you. You don't know my true nature and I don't know yours yet you sentence me to cease to exist because of what you perceive in the world? You're really....special....

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Semantics ........

No, a genuine love for words, like the Elizabethans had, and of which Shakespeare is our best exemplar.

Polonius: "What do you read, my Lord?"
Hamlet: "Words, words, words."

 

[james blunt]

See you wish all humans to die but you don't have the guts to do it yourself first...yes this thread is just to troll. Like I said, I serve human beings every single day for the last 15 year clinically. You don't know me, and I don't know you. You don't know my true nature and I don't know yours yet you sentence me to cease to exist because of what you perceive in the world? You're really....special....

So you're a doctor / psychologist ?

I could tell you more about the neurological process than you know and I have no qualification . Yes I am special .........

 

[james blunt]

No, a genuine love for words, like the Elizabethans had, and of which Shakespeare is our best exemplar.

Polonius: "What do you read, my Lord?"
Hamlet: "Words, words, words."

Alas , I've forgotten my name , go forth and spread the news that make''th the day .

 

[blü 2]

I consider that no government does a good job , all religion is quite false and we are all selfish when it comes to survival . We quite clearly don't really care about the needy etc and are all quite horrible people .
I don't think we deserve to live and call ourselves the superior species .

You appear to be arguing along these lines:

P1 There is one species superior to others.
P2 Only that superior species deserves to live.
P3 Species that don't deserve to live should die.
P4 H sap sap is not the superior species.
C1 Therefore H sap sap should die.

Unfortunately 'superior' and 'deserves' are incoherent in this context, which wipes out all the premises and with them the conclusion.

So I'm not persuaded.

Accordingly I intend to continue to live.

 

[Dawnofhope]

I consider that no government does a good job , all religion is quite false and we are all selfish when it comes to survival . We quite clearly don't really care about the needy etc and are all quite horrible people .
I don't think we deserve to live and call ourselves the superior species .

Its somewhat of a bleak assessment of humanity if you don't mind me saying. You sound depressed.

 

[Firemorphic]

and we are all selfish when it comes to survival . We quite clearly don't really care about the needy etc and are all quite horrible people .
I don't think we deserve to live and call ourselves the superior species .

We need to be far more mindful and caring about Earth, 100%. The fact that we have science and all this technology is a huge irony there.

 

[RedDragon94]

Everyone also ''sins'' too , although sin is subjective .

It seems pretty well summed up and defined to me. Piece of advice, it's easy to get caught up on other people and all the stupid things they do and all the stupid things that happen to them. But when you realize God created you for his glory (meaning he loves you) and that ultimately you're not personally responsible for everyone (just you) that weight gets lifted off of you.

Example - A man steals a loaf to feed his starving kids , is that a sin ?

Depends on the surrounding factors. Generally stealing is wrong and should be avoided. Agree?

You could argue he could have asked for the loaf , what do you think Tesco or similar would reply?

I have no idea who Tesco is, I live in the US. Are you from Great Britain?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I consider that no government does a good job , all religion is quite false and we are all selfish when it comes to survival . We quite clearly don't really care about the needy etc and are all quite horrible people .
I don't think we deserve to live and call ourselves the superior species .

I think you need to take another look. As a whole, people equal ****, but there are plenty of good and fine persons out there. As for not caring about the needy, tell that to those who sacrifice time with their own family, give up their weekends, and who have to be available on an on-call basis for the well being of others. Myself, I had a meltdown from the stress that comes from caring about and working with those who suffer mental illness, and I'll be back at it once I have a car again and get hired by a mental health center in California. I'm even considering not moving to LA because where I am now I am very much needed. I don't intent to toot my own horn, as I'm not the only one who has sacrificed for the sake of others, and I'm not sacrificing birthday's and after school events like my coworkers.
And then there are those like Jane Goodall who live away from humans for the sake of non-humans. It is her I admire more than any other, and those such as her friend (I can't recall her name) who gave her life defending non-humans.
Calling ourselves superior is human arrogance, I won't argue that. But many out there are good people. You would do well to seek that out instead of being hyper focused on the bad.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Is an animals life more important to you than human life ?

That is a very radical and totally unreal "either-or" scenario. You don't have to give up your dogs, or cats, or snakes, or iguanas, or spiders, or whatever, to care for a homeless person. Buying a homeless person lunch has far more utility to it than abandoning family members to make room for a stranger. That's actually a very bad idea, and I wouldn't ever suggest or recommend it to a client. Helping feels good, but abandoning those you love hurts. It wouldn't be good for someone to do. And, no, that isn't being selfish. If we aren't healthy, we aren't at our best, and if we aren't at our best our ability to help others dwindles (as does our motivation to care about others). We have needs that must be met, and if they aren't met it can be called selfish to expect this person to continue giving even though giving is hurting them. In the case of a family pet, the hurt would indeed be great, and the chances it would cause additional problems beyond the pains of removing a family (try explaining that one to your kids or spouse) it would be a very foolish thing to do. It's definitely way better for health to have happiness at home and keep your pets and find other ways to help those in need. Or you can give until you end up in a hospital and assigned a case manager because the stress became too great and you shut down and are barely functioning.