Is Jeffrey Dahmer in heaven?

[dawny0826]

I don't believe that Dhamer is in a happy place right now unless he had a repenting heart when he passed on.

 

[roli]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer

I did a search and didn't see a thread like this yet. I think it would be a good topic of discussion.

Jeffrey Dahmer was a serial killer who reportedly became religious and claimed himself to be a born-again Christian in prison.

Was Dahmer saved or not?

If he trusted Christ as his savior and repented of his sins he is as forgiven before God as if you or I repented of our sin and trusted Christ as our atoning sacrifice.

It is God's job to qualify someone to enter heaven !!

 

[Bishka]

If he trusted Christ as his savior and repented of his sins he is as forgiven before God as if you or I repented of our sin and trusted Christ as our atoning sacrifice.

It is God's job to qualify someone to enter heaven !!

Curious then -- if Mr. Dahmer is going to heaven (from your viewpoint if he trusted Christ's atoning sacrifice) are the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints going as well? What about the Seventh-day Adventists or Catholics? Just curious.

 

[McBell]

What exactly is the incentive to follow all the rules and regulations, to meet all the requirements each denomination puts upon salvation, if at the last second you can repent (or whatever your particular denomination requires) and gain your salvation after a lifetime of sin?

 

[Ozzie]

Ouch! As Katzpur has stated, I believe he is in Spirit Prison.

Dahmer was in spirit prison before he left this earth. He would have missed out on things that define joy in life.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Dahmer was in spirit prison before he left this earth. He would have missed out on things that define joy in life.

Exactly. I think one can have a repentant heart, but he didn't have the opportunity to repair for the atrocities he committed.

Who knows, I can't say for sure but for speculation since only the highest masters can see into the other realms where one has incarnated. However, I'd put my money on Dahmer returning to samsara in a lower realm. By lower realm, I mean lower than the human realm (animal, hungry ghost, or hell). I assume that he'd stay there until his karma is extinguished and he is reborn into a higher realm.



Peace,
Mystic

 

[lilithu]

What exactly is the incentive to follow all the rules and regulations, to meet all the requirements each denomination puts upon salvation, if at the last second you can repent (or whatever your particular denomination requires) and gain your salvation after a lifetime of sin?

What are the rules and regulations and requirements that are put on salvation?

I see some rules in order to be part of a particular faith community. But the bottom line in Christianity is that in order to be saved you have to accept Christ into your heart. By doing so you are transformed. It doesn't mean that you will never sin again - no one can do that - but your heart is oriented towards God and you will try not to sin.

Granted, we all know so called Christians who seem to think that they can sin all they want and then just "repent." Anytime a religion is institutionalized there are people who will observe the "law" but not the spirit. But that's not what Christianity is about. Like all great religions, it is about transformation.

 

[Mister_T]

It is God's job to qualify someone to enter heaven !!

I echo what Roli said. I feel God alone decides who goes and who doesn't.

 

[lilithu]

I echo what Roli said. I feel God alone decides who goes and who doesn't.

I don't think that anyone is disputing that God gets the final say. The discussion is more about what are the rules that God is setting?

Do you have to have led a life in which the positives outweigh the negatives?
(If so, are people who have done more harm than good but are truly repentant out of luck?)

Or do you have to have been truly repentant for the wrongs you've done?
(If so, are people who have done far more good than harm but not repentant out of luck?)

Or is there a secret password?

 

[Runlikethewind]

I don't think that anyone is disputing that God gets the final say. The discussion is more about what are the rules that God is setting?

Do you have to have led a life in which the positives outweigh the negatives?
(If so, are people who have done more harm than good but are truly repentant out of luck?)

Or do you have to have been truly repentant for the wrongs you've done?
(If so, are people who have done far more good than harm but not repentant out of luck?)

Or is there a secret password?

Excellent point, only God can answer the question posed in the OP, God is the final judge. All we can do is speculate on how God judges. I hope that God is merciful enough to forgive Jeffery if he did try to repent, that means there is hope for the rest of us.

 

[Mister_T]

I don't think that anyone is disputing that God gets the final say. The discussion is more about what are the rules that God is setting?

Do you have to have led a life in which the positives outweigh the negatives?
(If so, are people who have done more harm than good but are truly repentant out of luck?)

Or do you have to have been truly repentant for the wrongs you've done?
(If so, are people who have done far more good than harm but not repentant out of luck?)

Or is there a secret password?

Sorry, let me restate that; I think only God knows for sure since they're his rules. I don't know what God thinks so I really can't say what his "official rules" are. Personally I don't think he's in heaven.

 

[PureX]

I hope that Dahmer is in "heaven" with the people he killed, and they are long past the struggles and resentments of this lifetime.

 

[lilithu]

I hope that Dahmer is in "heaven" with the people he killed, and they are long past the struggles and resentments of this lifetime.

Amen Brother! :yes:

 

[Vassal]

I don't think that anyone is disputing that God gets the final say. The discussion is more about what are the rules that God is setting?

Do you have to have led a life in which the positives outweigh the negatives?
(If so, are people who have done more harm than good but are truly repentant out of luck?)

Or do you have to have been truly repentant for the wrongs you've done?
(If so, are people who have done far more good than harm but not repentant out of luck?)

Or is there a secret password?

There is no requirement for salvation other than faith in Christ, however, faith is more than just saying, "I believe in God who died for my sins". How can you know if you have true faith? The Bible compares Jesus' coming to the birth of a new child. Just like when a child is born and the parents rejoice and tell everyone they know, so it is when someone is saved through true faith in Christ Jesus.

It is natural human behavior to want to help and share with other people when you are feeling joyful, which is what faith brings and which is why salvation can only be though faith alone. Works, or the law, cannot bring about joy to anyone because it can only condemn us, since none of us can be perfect to fulfill it. But because of Christ the law can no longer condemn any of us who believe in him, so we can always have this great joy in him. Our faith in him will turn our good works into good habits, so that we will do what is right even when we aren’t consciously making a decision to do so.

So assuming that Jeffrey Dahmer was sincere in his faith in Christ, he will be in Heaven. There is no minimum number of good deeds required to get into heaven, nor is there a maximum number of evil deeds allowed before you are excluded from heaven. Now, as I stated in the last paragraph, a true believer will see a decrease in sinful behavior and an increase in godly behavior, but we are still sinful and far from perfect. Every single person is saved the same way, through faith in Christ Jesus and not by anything else.

Acts 15:11 (NLT) We believe that we are all saved the same way, by the undeserved grace of the Lord Jesus.”

Ephesians 2:8-9 (NLT) 8 God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. 9 Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it.

 

[wizanda]

No! as you shall not kill!
No intercessor can ever relate such a thing and in fact even come near it, Heaven is transcendental, nothing impure can go out of the dimensions as desire is the 10th and end of the matrix (or Zion as we call it all) as it takes wisdom to climb all levels.
11th is also the start of heaven which is uniolove (or unconditional love since we don’t have the word in our language any more), so unless you have achieved it, been it all the way through, no chance for any to enter.
EGO is the first dimension and so where he would belong doing such things.

 

[McBell]

What are the rules and regulations and requirements that are put on salvation?

Is baptism required to be saved?
If so, water or oil?
if water, sprinkling or full submersion?

Faith alone, or are works required?

I see some rules in order to be part of a particular faith community. But the bottom line in Christianity is that in order to be saved you have to accept Christ into your heart. By doing so you are transformed. It doesn't mean that you will never sin again - no one can do that - but your heart is oriented towards God and you will try not to sin.

So it makes sense to wait till the last possible moment to be saved.
This way you can live your life however you choose and not have to be bothered with the hoopla till right before you die.

Granted, we all know so called Christians who seem to think that they can sin all they want and then just "repent."

And why can't they?
Is there a limit on the number of times God will forgive you?
I have never heard anything that actually refutes this, just people indicating in various ways that they do not agree with it.

Anytime a religion is institutionalized there are people who will observe the "law" but not the spirit. But that's not what Christianity is about. Like all great religions, it is about transformation.

This is nice and all, but it really does not answer my question.
What is the incentive to be saved as soon as possible as opposed to waiting till the last possible minute?

 

[wizanda]

In answer to all of those, baptism of Christ is acceptable….
So water is baptism of John and means as much as that water is worth.

Works are most important and no one in heaven will be with a lazy person, only dedicated, real people who have spent their ‘life’s’ proving them self’s again and again, under much chaos, as this place is to us.
Yet never failing in giving and if doing repenting to God quickly and then changing them ways immediately.
Like Christ said aim to be perfect and it was meant.
Though intercessors can relate a certain environment and out come of events, that also doesn’t remove any penalties; it may makes it more acceptable to God’s ears.
Which if someone is screaming from hell, how bad they know they are, only they can help them self's to say "sorry"…and an intercessor can’t change free will and that is each persons own measure, to which they will be judged on their own to begin with…
Which doesn’t mean in this life, people can then train their mind to ignore past emotions and turmoil, as with no flesh the ego will remain in side the soul and that is far worse (I felt last time was) down there.

 

[lilithu]

No! as you shall not kill!
No intercessor can ever relate such a thing and in fact even come near it, Heaven is transcendental, nothing impure can go out of the dimensions ...

So... would you say that you are pure enough?

None of us is without sin. All of us are in need of God's purifying Grace. So why should God's Grace extend to you and not to him?