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Is Jesus Christ the True God?

Is Jesus Christ the God, and all other gods are false gods, i.e. idols?

  • Yes, you are right. Jesus Christ is the God, and all other gods are false gods, i.e. idols.

  • No. I am sorry.


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rational experiences

Veteran Member
One word cooling evolution by human observed theorising.

O is fixed highest greatest position anywhere.

In heavens on our side no flame O is G rotating cooling spin of O. O is middle heat DD cools to maintain cold O.

Description by men.

GOD one place in gases hosts above remains fixed does not leave ever.

Explanation G O D forms GOOD. Above us keeping held pressure held bodies highest greatest.

Cloud mass his angels.

Highest place man said the spirit father of our heavens above all things.

Not Jesus. Jesus sacrificed inheritance body was removed. In reformation his image was less above.

Instead of the holy God a man's image emerged.

The heavens father never owned any image. Is G O D by terms.

Jesus was never GOD.

J back to back was hooks. A Hebrew symbolic science thesis about Phi.

In a calculus O time.

Letter I ..
man said was a name of God only above as core middle heat is I...back to OO.

Never accepted Phi fallout was about gods heavens said learned men.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
CH values arisen said CH arose is one gas mass interwoven network of heavens.

Never separate spirits above.

No such term anti.

As Christ is Christ only.

Anti a teaching said man burnt it out of existence by cuts upon the body of spirit above...lines like chemtrails.
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
What part? I'm looking more for specifics. I would be glad to point things out as needed.
John 1:1 :In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

jhwatts Jesus is God/Man! Billions of people today will tell you, never mind the billions that have died in the past 2000 years!
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
John 1:1 :In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

jhwatts Jesus is God/Man! Billions of people today will tell you, never mind the billions that have died in the past 2000 years!
The verses “ John 1:1, John 1:14 ” quoted by one in one's post are not from (Jesus)- Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, please:

Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.
World Messianic Bible
Right?

Why one blames Yeshua that he claimed to be a Hellenist-Paulian , dying rising atoning ascending, deity, he was never as such, it transpires, please? Right?

Isn't it selfish to make Yeshua die for the atonement of one's sins, please; why can't one leave sinning instead, please??

Regards
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
If any human who thinks for self. The teachers ours are spiritual. We say be like me yet think for yourself. Don't try to be me or follow me.

You think.

In space laws O God earth eternal body burning angel is planet earth. Its being saved taken away from its body sacrifice first by mother womb space.

Mother and God is one combined reference same incident.

Rock plus black mass is red light volcano body mass. Two bodies in one conception.

It's a reactive reaction body mass that released spirit insemination into space womb. Stretched cooled formed cold gas. Spirits birth. Gas mass.

In your conscious thought is that you human brother.

Thinker bio human says no it's gods Inheritor. I'm only a human man.

Exact advice no man is God.

Yet consciousness yours to inform apply words advice is of a man?

Yes.
So men egotists theists lied?

Yes. Proven they had already known no man is Inheritor God evolution. To change body forms.

So in God in thought by womb space nothing. It's a baby inheritor body a God position only? Yes. It's also a conceived place same body of other bodies gas? Yes.

A father son concept in space mother nothing?

Yes.

No condition human whatsoever. No man is God.

Why do you argue?

Mind of human says I'm more conscious advised than any theist about a machine and a reaction human.

My advice messages to self are better advised. I claim it being conscious for self health of human mind body life and life continuance?

Yes.
In consciousness don't you say I'm higher informed?

Yes.

Does not however make you a God of inheritor God. Just a thinker.

A human.

Man taught our heavens god is one state fixed held above. Cooling evolution. Inheritance is cooling and atmospheric evolution? No position whatsoever with biology.

Yes always just GOD.

Rome made that law legal status fully advised by rebuilding using temple technology. Destruction life bio attack. How you realise you are wrong. Learnt. Was taught.

Termed it Jesus. Also not God.

What's bio constant life to live?

Just holy water oxygenated to allow water to be holy by living tissue in water...microbes. The other form of life in heavens.

Microbes in water with evaporated ground minerals. That by mass pressure above passes through our skin. Keeps it vital alive? By pressures. Dependant on body mass above presence to survive below?

Yes.

Yes life's inheritance was always the only one state taught... holy water.

As we aren't nuclear. Ice waters saviour keeps water on earth stable balanced. A teaching of life's relative survival.

Waters temperature important or else micro biology dies sacrificed in heavens water.

Pretty basic science teaching for a human life as it is always basic. As we aren't machines.

Men's false god theism practice the machine from God's mass earth.

Machines mass history God O earth mass formed in space. Why a machine suddenly arrives out of space. The very fact of it man's science conjured causes.

Back in time less mass rock as gas removed leaving just metal in space. Gods earths destruction. Sun thesis only.
 

TiggerII

Active Member
John 1:1 :In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

jhwatts Jesus is God/Man! Billions of people today will tell you, never mind the billions that have died in the past 2000 years!
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Examining the Trinity

John 1:1c is, according to the usage of John himself in all his writings, properly rendered into English as "and the Word was a god."

Examining the Trinity: John 1:1c Primer - For Grammatical Rules That Supposedly "Prove" the Trinity
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
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Examining the Trinity

John 1:1c is, according to the usage of John himself in all his writings, properly rendered into English as "and the Word was a god."

Examining the Trinity: John 1:1c Primer - For Grammatical Rules That Supposedly "Prove" the Trinity
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tigger2 I have to point out not one of the 65 Bible interpretations of John 1 that Christians use have the letter "A" in ", and the Word was God. ALSO....

tigger2
also not one of the sixty-five Bible interpretations of John 1 that Christians use have a small letter "G" for "God"!

Let me point this out to you... Mormons and the Jehovah Witness are Not Christian because: Christins believe in One God! The LDS believe that each good Mormon will be in charge of their own planet as Jesus is here, they will become Gods! The Watch Tower has added the letter "A" to John 1:1 to change the Singular (1) to mean many gods! The JW believes in Many gods! Both of these churches came about roughly at the same time in history! JWs about 1875 the LDS 1820s both have their own bible, both claim Christians up until they came along were not from God! Both reject the Christian symbol of "The Cross"! Both JWs and the LDS reject the cross that Jesus died on a stick!
Christians have Always used the Cross to demonstrate who they are; you see a person make the sign or you see a Cross on a building you know instantly they are Christian! It was by the Cross that Satan was defeated it was by the Cross that Jesus destroyed death and by his resurrection that he restored Life! Satan would never allow his Church to use the Cross he would never allow a cross on any of his churches!
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The Watchtower asserts that “In classical Greek the word stauros, rendered ‘torture stake’ in the New World Translation [produced by the Watchtower], primarily denotes an upright stake or pole, and there is no evidence that the writers of the Christian Greek Scriptures used it to designate a stake with a crossbeam. There is not a single sentence, in any of the numerous writings forming the New Testament, which in the original Greek bears even indirect evidence to the effect that the stauros used in the case of Jesus was other than an ordinary stauros, much less to the effect that it consisted not of one piece of timber, but of two pieces nailed together in the form of a cross.”
In the early Church it was the T-shaped cross that was designated by stauros in Greek and by crux in Latin. The evidence for this is abundant and can be found in several areas of study–history, archaeology, art, patrology, liturgical tradition, etymology, paleography, and the New Testament itself.
Early Christian writers left testimony in their writings to a living rubrical tradition. Semper et ubique (“always and everywhere”) we find the early Church using the rubric of the sign of the cross.
Tertullian testifies to how widespread and ingrained the habit of making the sign of the cross is. “In all our travels, in our coming in and going out, in putting on our clothes and our shoes, at table, in going to rest, whatever employment occupies us, we mark our forehead with the sign of the cross.”
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tigger2 Christians have used the Cross long before the "Watch Tower" came along!
 

TiggerII

Active Member
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tigger2 I have to point out not one of the 65 Bible interpretations of John 1 that Christians use have the letter "A" in ", and the Word was God. ALSO....

tigger2
also not one of the sixty-five Bible interpretations of John 1 that Christians use have a small letter "G" for "God"!

Let me point this out to you... Mormons and the Jehovah Witness are Not Christian because: Christins believe in One God! The LDS believe that each good Mormon will be in charge of their own planet as Jesus is here, they will become Gods! The Watch Tower has added the letter "A" to John 1:1 to change the Singular (1) to mean many gods! The JW believes in Many gods! Both of these churches came about roughly at the same time in history! JWs about 1875 the LDS 1820s both have their own bible, both claim Christians up until they came along were not from God! Both reject the Christian symbol of "The Cross"! Both JWs and the LDS reject the cross that Jesus died on a stick!
Christians have Always used the Cross to demonstrate who they are; you see a person make the sign or you see a Cross on a building you know instantly they are Christian! It was by the Cross that Satan was defeated it was by the Cross that Jesus destroyed death and by his resurrection that he restored Life! Satan would never allow his Church to use the Cross he would never allow a cross on any of his churches!
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The Watchtower asserts that “In classical Greek the word stauros, rendered ‘torture stake’ in the New World Translation [produced by the Watchtower], primarily denotes an upright stake or pole, and there is no evidence that the writers of the Christian Greek Scriptures used it to designate a stake with a crossbeam. There is not a single sentence, in any of the numerous writings forming the New Testament, which in the original Greek bears even indirect evidence to the effect that the stauros used in the case of Jesus was other than an ordinary stauros, much less to the effect that it consisted not of one piece of timber, but of two pieces nailed together in the form of a cross.”
In the early Church it was the T-shaped cross that was designated by stauros in Greek and by crux in Latin. The evidence for this is abundant and can be found in several areas of study–history, archaeology, art, patrology, liturgical tradition, etymology, paleography, and the New Testament itself.
Early Christian writers left testimony in their writings to a living rubrical tradition. Semper et ubique (“always and everywhere”) we find the early Church using the rubric of the sign of the cross.
Tertullian testifies to how widespread and ingrained the habit of making the sign of the cross is. “In all our travels, in our coming in and going out, in putting on our clothes and our shoes, at table, in going to rest, whatever employment occupies us, we mark our forehead with the sign of the cross.”
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tigger2 Christians have used the Cross long before the "Watch Tower" came along!

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Did I ask about how other (mostly trinitarian-translated) Bibles have rendered John 1:1c?

Why not actually carefully read my personal study of John's Greek usage which proves my statement??
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
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Did I ask about how other (mostly trinitarian-translated) Bibles have rendered John 1:1c?

Why not actually carefully read my personal study of John's Greek usage which proves my statement??
tigger2 The Watch Tower and the JW church is a lie. They twist and massage and massage the words of God until God says what they want God to have said!
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
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Did I ask about how other (mostly trinitarian-translated) Bibles have rendered John 1:1c?

Why not actually carefully read my personal study of John's Greek usage which proves my statement??
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tigger2 you are NOT a scripture scholar you are Not a scripture interpreter; You are NOT an expert the Watch Tower is not expert!! I am NOT a scripture interpreter; I must rely on the experts! NOT One of the sixty scripture scholars have the letter "A" in front of the word "God" in John 1!
Not one: No not one of these sixty scripture scholars has a small letter G for God in John 1!

The Watch Tower is evil they teach "Child Sacrifice"! There is nothing in the whole bible against Blood Transfusions! Not to eat blood is all that can be found! Not to eat Fat!
They (WT) have to stretch the scriptures and massage God holy words to make people think "God want them to sacrifice their Children in God name"! In the scriptures you can find God hates Child Sacrifice!
tigger2 Satan hates purity, he hates humans, he hates children the most; he hates little children because they are without sin! He is the head to the Watch Tower! They are right up there with "Planned Parenthood and abortion!" Killing Children in God' name makes Satan happy!

The WT rejects the cross substituting a torcher stick for the cross! Christians have always used the Cross as their symbol. It was by the Cross that Jesus destroyed Death and by rising he restored life!
tigger2 Jesus died out of Love for us. Satan hates Love and he hates the Cross it was by the Cross he was defeated! Satan would never allow his children to use the cross he would never allow a cross on any of his churches! The LDS also reject the cross both of these man-made churches are NOT Christian!
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
Jesus died out of Love for us..
I thought Jesus didn't die..
I thought that he ascended to heaven, to return again from the clouds later. :)

11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
- Acts 1 -
 

TiggerII

Active Member
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tigger2 you are NOT a scripture scholar you are Not a scripture interpreter; ....
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DK20 You are not a scholar in any sense of the word. A scholar actually examines the evidence (especially of those who disagree with him). I am an expert in the study of John 1:1c as written by John in NT Greek. I have studied the works of those who interpret John 1:1c as "the god" ("God") including Colwell's writings (definite article "sometimes understood"), Phillip Harner's study, and D.B. Wallace's study ("qualitative" interpretation). I have even written studies concerning each one.

I have studied all the "best" arguments for translating "God" at John 1:1c. My study takes into consideration aspects of NT Greek Grammar as used by John (and the other Gospel writers) which the trinitarian scholars have ignored. Your accusation is false (as is your interpretation.)

You cannot be a true scholar (or interpreter) if you shamelessly refuse to even read the opposition's studies.
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
I thought Jesus didn't die..
I thought that he ascended to heaven, to return again from the clouds later. :)

11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
- Acts 1 -
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muhammad_isa Hello... I hope you are well......

Jesus died and then resurrected on the third day!
Luke 23:44 It was now about noon, and darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon, 45 for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two. 46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last.
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Jesus was entombed
50 Now there was a man named Joseph, a member of the Council, a good and upright man, 51 who had not consented to their decision and action. He came from the Judean town of Arimathea, and he himself was waiting for the kingdom of God. 52 Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus’ body. 53 Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen cloth and placed it in a tomb cut in the rock, one in which no one had yet been laid. 54 It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.
55 The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it. 56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment
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muhammad_isa Three days later they went to the tomb, but it was open.
Luke 24:1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. etc etc

I ask you to think just a bit.... No one can die twice. You cannot even kill a stinking no good mangy cur of a dog twice! All die once and only once! Jesus died never ever to die a second time! Jesus rose from the dead to live for eternity! This man/God Jesus now cannot die! Baptism "Immerses us into the risen can't die body of Jesus!" ALL.........

muhammad_isa all in the risen resurrected body of Jesus; all Immersed into God' only son will also live forever! After Jesus ascended into heaven (Your verse above) Acts 1:11 the Holy Spirit (God) came upon the Apostles giving them the power to Immerse (Baptize) people into Jesus' holy body "The Church"! (below) is what the Peter did the first day!
Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day
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muhammad_isa 3000 were ADDED to the body of Jesus his Church the first day by the action of Peter Baptizing!
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
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After Jesus ascended into heaven (Your verse above) Acts 1:11 the Holy Spirit (God) came upon the Apostles giving them the power to Immerse (Baptize) people into Jesus' holy body "The Church"! (below) is what the Peter did the first day!
Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
..so is Jesus coming back to earth or not?
The verse I quoted says that he is.

..as does the Book of Revelation.
I am still waiting to be saved by Jesus.. :)
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
..so is Jesus coming back to earth or not?
The verse I quoted says that he is.

..as does the Book of Revelation.
I am still waiting to be saved by Jesus.. :)
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muhammad_isa good question. The simple answer is yes; Jesus is coming back!

Man is "Body & Spirit". We are Immersed into the spiritual body of Jesus at our baptism! God has only one son: Jesus!
Thus........
All "IN" Jesus' body call God father!
All of God Adopted children are made by baptism because all people immersed into Jesus' body are adopted into God' holy family!
All in God' family call Jesus their brother!
All in God' family, all who call Jesus their brother address Mary as Mother!

muhammad_isa You do not have to wait to be saved all you have to do is get yourself baptized! Be baptized for the forgiveness of your sins and receive the gift of God' Holy Spirit!
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
 

muhammad_isa

Veteran Member
muhammad_isa You do not have to wait to be saved all you have to do is get yourself baptized!
I have already been baptised .. more than once, in fact. :)
There are many people in the world today, who are sufffering for no fault of their own.

A study by the World Institute for Development Economics Research at United Nations University reports that the richest 1% of adults alone owned 40% of global assets in the year 2000, and that the richest 10% of adults accounted for 85% of the world total. The bottom half of the world adult population owned 1% of global wealth.
Distribution of wealth - Wikipedia

I don't see the situation improving before Jesus returns.
In fact, it is likely to get worse. :(
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I have already been baptised .. more than once, in fact. :)
There are many people in the world today, who are sufffering for no fault of their own.

A study by the World Institute for Development Economics Research at United Nations University reports that the richest 1% of adults alone owned 40% of global assets in the year 2000, and that the richest 10% of adults accounted for 85% of the world total. The bottom half of the world adult population owned 1% of global wealth.
Distribution of wealth - Wikipedia

I don't see the situation improving before Jesus returns.
In fact, it is likely to get worse. :(

Were any of them more than just a water event? Was any of them a sign of a good conscience?
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
I have already been baptised .. more than once, in fact. :)
There are many people in the world today, who are sufffering for no fault of their own.

A study by the World Institute for Development Economics Research at United Nations University reports that the richest 1% of adults alone owned 40% of global assets in the year 2000, and that the richest 10% of adults accounted for 85% of the world total. The bottom half of the world adult population owned 1% of global wealth.
Distribution of wealth - Wikipedia

I don't see the situation improving before Jesus returns.
In fact, it is likely to get worse. :(
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muhammad_isa Hello I hope you are well...
Question do Muslims baptize!?
If you were baptized by the trinitarian formula, then you are God' Child In the name of >>With the Authority of<< Father, Son & Holy Spirit speaking for God the Church represent God! Baptism IMMERSES us into God' ONLY Son; if you are "IN" Jesus then God will call you, his child!
One baptism is all you need the others you had are moot!

You have many concerns maybe you should see a therapist!

I point out... Man has a spiritual side and a fleshly side, most important is the spiritual side! Your body will die and rot away, your spirit will live forever! IF....

muhammad_isa
If you are thus forever in heaven, you will receive your body back in a glorified state; You will again be both Spirit and Flesh!
 
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