Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe I tell you the truth that I am God in the flesh. So now you have my word and it ought to be plain enough for you.
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Is Jesus God?
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I believe I tell you the truth that I am God in the flesh. So now you have my word and it ought to be plain enough for you.
Muffled
Jesus in me
Amen. I believe the Trinity is God.
MJFlores
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Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe that is correct and if you ever stop mocking you might learn something.
MJFlores
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Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Abstract question. The Bible states that Christians follow Jesus in Spirit, the 'person' is not an idol.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe if you do not know this you are not a Christian in anything but name only.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe a Christian who follows Jesus in any way is just a nominal Christian. A person must be born again to be a true Christian.
MJFlores
Well-Known Member
Christians believe the bible not the words of men.
The Trinity is just a manufactured doctrine of men - made in Turkey.
It is a Satanic doctrine.
Muffled
Jesus in me
Ro 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwelleth in you, he that raised up Christ Jesus from the dead shall give life also to your mortal bodies through his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Does that sound like following?
Muffled
Jesus in me
I don't believe you can't believe the Bible because you don't understand it.
TrueBeliever37
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There is no Trinity. The answer to this, is that the Father is the Holy Spirit, and is the one and only God. The Son was the fleshly body he made to dwell in and sacrifice. The Messiah was both the Father and the Son. The distinction is between Flesh and Spirit. The Father is the eternal Spirit and the Son is the Fleshly body the Father made to dwell in. The eternal Spirit
couldn't die or be tempted, but the fleshly body could die and could be tempted.
The scripture teaches that God raised him from the dead. The Messiah said destroy this temple (referring to his body) and in 3 days I will raise it up. If he was just a man how could he
raise himself from the dead? He had told them the Son can do nothing of himself. The Father that dwelleth in me, he does the works.
Isaiah 9:6 was a prophecy that the Son to be born would also be the mighty God and the everlasting Father.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe you have not provided evidence to support this.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
There is the Trinity: Son, Paraclete & Father.
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
Very true!
This one verse should prove to everyone that Jesus is God in human form.
This verse says that His name shall be called....,
h8034. שֵׁם šêm; a primitive word (perhaps rather from 7760 through the idea of definite and conspicuous position; compare 8064); an appellation, as a mark or memorial of individuality; by implication honor, authority, character: — + base, (in-)fame(-ous), named(-d), renown, report.
Any rational person can see that a persons name can't be, "Counselor", "Prince of Peace", "Everlasting Father", these are titles, speaking of Jesus' character and authority, not His name. His character is, Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Only God/Jehovah is the Father, how can the Son be the "Everlasting Father"?
TrueBeliever37
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Tell me what in particular you disagree with and would like more evidence for. While you are at it please provide your scripture that refutes it.
Can you not see that the son in this verse is also going to be the Mighty God and Everlasting Father? These are titles for him, not another person. Really read it, and pay attention to what it actually says.
You talk about no evidence. Where is one (just one) scripture where any of the inspired writers ever mentioned the Trinity or a Triune God or three persons in the Godhead?
Now here is some proof God is not a Trinity. John 4:24 - God is a Spirit. Ephesians 4:4 - There is one Spirit. So how can there be 3 distinct persons that are each totally and completely God and yet only be one? You say God is a Trinity, while John says God is a Spirit - I think I know who I should believe.
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TrueBeliever37
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YHWH the God of the OT came down and dwelt in a body, and sacrificed that body for the sins of the world. The fleshly body was called the Son. YHWH was the eternal Spirit dwelling in the body. So the Messiah was both Father and Son, (the eternal Spirit dwelling in the fleshly body). It is not the same thing as saying the Father is the Son. The distinction is between flesh and Spirit.
That is what the Messiah himself taught: He said I and my Father are one, and if you have seen me you have seen the Father. He said the Father that dwelleth in me he does the works.
The scripture says God was in Messiah reconciling the world to himself. The fullness of the Godhead/Deity dwells in him bodily.
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
Ok, so God is a Spirit, that has a Spirit?
John 4:24 (ESV Strong's) 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”
Matthew 3:16 (ESV Strong's) 16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;
Romans 8:9 (ESV Strong's) 9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
What about the Spirit of Christ?
Romans 8:9 (ESV Strong's) 9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
1 Peter 1:11 (ESV Strong's) 11 inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
John also says "God is light" and "God is love." Which one is He really? Spirit? Light? Or love? Or do you believe it possible for God to be more than one thing? Maybe these passages aren't even saying what God is (in terms of defining Him). Maybe they are just describing His many attributes. Could He not have even more attributes, things John perhaps neglected to mention?
(By the way, I am not arguing that God is a Trinity, because I don't believe He is.)
TrueBeliever37
Well-Known Member
I do believe God has many attributes. He is all the things the scriptures say he is. I think he is a Spirit of love, truth, holiness, light, etc. But the scripture does teach that God is the Holy Spirit.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
The scriptures also teach that God is Jesus Christ and that He is the Eternal Father. The problem appears to be that people cannot seem to agree on the implications of these things. I mean, I know what I believe and I know that other people believe differently, and we're all using the same scriptures. By the way, I've been trying to figure out from your posts if you are a member of any particular Christian denomination, but I've been unable to. Mind if I ask?