Is Jesus God?

[outhouse]

Starting with Mark 16:1 to the end of the chapter: 508 words.

Mark 16:8 is where the original mark ended.

The rest was probably added at a later date.

Original mark pre 16:8 our earliest version not copied, makes little mention of this event.

luke and matthew copied much of this, and its thought mark was edited to match the other books Christology,

 

[outhouse]

Did we ever figure out who besides the Mormons think Jesus was the OT God?

Many Christians follow this. Does not make it right, but many do.

I think you will find Jews and muslism find the opposite.

 

[outhouse]

The PHYSICAL Resurrection of CHRIST was a belief held by ALL 1st century Palestinian Jewish Christians.

Provide credible sources.

There is a huge debate whether people in that time thought it was a physical or spiritual resurrection. Text plays into both, and shows an evolution of thought into a physical one.


Pauls Christology is heavily debated in this area.

 

[outhouse]

my focus is proving the Divinity of Christ via the Resurrection and the consequential rise of the Church, which you have been unable to disprove

Sorry extraordinary claims REQUIRE extraordinary evidence. You dont have any.


This is something that is factually not proven outside your personal faith.

Provide credible sources

 

[atpollard]

OMG what hath I wrought? 41 pages? sigh.

Did we ever figure out who besides the Mormons think Jesus was the OT God?

If you mean that Jesus was the Burning Bush talking to Moses, nope.
If you mean Jesus was the fourth person in the fiery furnace of "Daniel", then I do.

Jesus was not the same person as God the Father, but he has always been part of the same triune being 'God'.

 

[outhouse]

At least you admit he was killed.

Years ahead of you on this. I actually study the mans historicity in the smallest details.

I also fight the mythicist who propose he is all myth. on a very high level. I have debated many authors on this and a few well known scholars on a daily basis.


Have you ever had a single conversation with a credible scholar before?

Listened to a lecture all the way through?

 

[atpollard]

Sorry extraordinary claims REQUIRE extraordinary evidence. You dont have any.
This is something that is factually not proven outside your personal faith.
Provide credible sources

Antiquities by Josephus ... not a Christian.
Now please, say something on topic and worth reading ... this ("Yes it is."/"No it isn't.") empty debate is getting old.

 

[outhouse]

your twisted theory about the proto-Israelites around 1200 BC is nothing but a baseless theory.

Your talking about things you know nothing about. YOU need to provide credible sources when making these claims of certainty.

You do not know more then these people. They are the most educated in the world on this topic.

 

[outhouse]

Antiquities by Josephus ... not a Christian.
Now please, say something on topic and worth reading ... this ("Yes it is."/"No it isn't.") empty debate is getting old.

Does not give historicity to the resurrection. Not only that, it is a well know redacted piece edited by later Christians.

Not all was edited though. But you would need to know what your debating in full before throwing Josephus around as evidence. Its highly debated in academic circles.

 

[atpollard]

Does not give historicity to the resurrection. Not only that, it is a well know redacted piece edited by later Christians.
Not was edited though. But you would need to know what your debating in full before throwing Josephus around as evidence. Its highly debated in academic circles.

Actually, that is my complaint.
I am attempting to discuss (so I am not really debating anything) "Is Jesus God?" in a topic called "Is Jesus God?".
Within the topic of "Is Jesus God?", what bearing or light or even opinion does your rabid debate on the historicity of scripture add.
It looks to me like empty rhetoric aimed at trolling and a general thread-crapping.
Is there really no place else to discuss Proto-Israelites?

 

[outhouse]

"Is Jesus God?" in a topic called "Is Jesus God?".

Wonderful.

What you fail to understand is I have also claimed this is a statement of faith. I don't want to change your faith. But you cannot make claims of factual status without evidence to support that position

What evidence for this, would you like to discuss?

 

[outhouse]

It looks to me like empty rhetoric aimed at trolling and a general thread-crapping.

Might appear that way when one looks at how less educated apologist refuse modern education and all credible knowledge on the topic.

But each person here is on their own footing. Your not starting out so well, but I am very patient. So please, show us all your opinion.

 

[outhouse]

Is there really no place else to discuss Proto-Israelites?

Well if your in a debate that relies on one of many definitions of god. You had better understand the multiple deities involved here. And you had better understand how the deities evolved over time to place your stamen into context.

 

[JM2C]

Why hate education and knowledge?

You have nothing on you man but your one-liner comments or C&P from wiki. You got no education at all. You are just guessing most of the time.

 

[outhouse]

You have anything on you man but your one-liner comments or C&P from wiki. You got no education at all. You are just guessing most of the time.

Why hate education and knowledge?

You could just say, I have faith. I would accept that whole hearted.

 

[atpollard]

Wonderful.
What you fail to understand is I have also claimed this is a statement of faith. I don't want to change your faith. But you cannot make claims of factual status without evidence to support that position
What evidence for this, would you like to discuss?

Are you really requesting physically verifiable empirical evidence of the claim that the man Jesus was also a Spirit?
I assume that you seek objective evidence?
Sorry, I only have subjective evidence of Spiritual Truths.
Subjectively, I have met God.
Subjectively, the truth revealed in the Bible most perfectly explains the experiential evidence that life has provided me.

What evidence do you offer that Jesus' claims are false?
After 2000 years, it is a little late to go look in the tomb.

 

[JM2C]

Your talking about things you know nothing about.


You do not know more then these people.

Did you actually read Finkelstein and Dever’s hypotheses? If you do, then why can’t you argue from their POV to my arguments to you?

You need to ask yourself why Marks original gospel before the ending was added later, was so vague about Jesus relationship to god, being it was the first gospel the others plagiarized.

You’re implying or accusing here that Luke and Matthew plagiarized Mark, but look at what you’re doing here. If you can’t explain what you’re copying and pasting or what these scholars were actually saying then you are just plagiarizing their works by presenting them as your valid arguments. You should be able to contradict me from their POV as your valid arguments otherwise, you are just picking up scraps of information and retails them secondhand, a plagiarist, or of those who make a show, in unscientific style, of knowledge obtained from misunderstanding lectures. Outhouse you got nothing

 

[outhouse]

You’re implying or accusing here that Luke and Matthew plagiarized Mark

Most educated people follow this. I did not invent it.

Did you actually read Finkelstein and Dever’s hypotheses?

Yes I have.

The Canaanite origin after 1200 BC is not up for debate. The only thing left to debate is what other Semitic people joined them after 1200 BC.


And YOU!. start providing credible sources for your claims. You don't get to just make one unsubstantiated claim after another, never providing a credible source.

 

[outhouse]

Please let's debate about your scholars and stop pretending that you are an educated person because you are NOT.

This is a personal attack, it will not be tolerated much longer.

 

[Katzpur]

Did we ever figure out who besides the Mormons think Jesus was the OT God?

Probably nobody.