Is Jesus God?

[james2ko]

Great post. I just want to add somemore things here. Here's just a few verses that tell us that Jesus is not God and did not pre-exist.

Romans 1 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.

1 Cor 11 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

2 Cor 5 "To know, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto..... himself."

Hebrews 1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

1 Tim 3v16 " God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

1 Peter 1v20 "Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,"

1 John 4v3 "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist,"

2 John 1 "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."

Perhaps I'm missing something but I do not see anything remotely resembling the notion He did not pre-exist in any of these verses. All I see is the focus on His role in becoming a human. Should that negate all of the verses speaking of His pre-existence? No. It merely tells us that He was a spirit entity prior to becoming a full human. Of course you have demonstrated how one can read far more into these verses than the text warrants.

 

[thevoiceofgod]

Great post. I just want to add somemore things here. Here's just a few verses that tell us that Jesus is not God and did not pre-exist.

Romans 1 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.

1 Cor 11 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

2 Cor 5 "To know, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto..... himself."

Hebrews 1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

1 Tim 3v16 " God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

1 Peter 1v20 "Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,"

1 John 4v3 "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist,"

2 John 1 "For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."

Christ ( knowledge of God ) was witnessed by all us saints and prophets who were forced to write and speak for Him.

 

[thevoiceofgod]

Perhaps I'm missing something but I do not see anything remotely resembling the notion He did not pre-exist in any of these verses. All I see is the focus on His role in becoming a human. Should that negate all of the verses speaking of His pre-existence? No. It merely tells us that He was a spirit entity prior to becoming a full human. Of course you have demonstrated how one can read far more into these verses than the text warrants.

All of us were in Christ before we became flesh. We were all born in the mind ( thoughts ) of our Creator before He spoke His creation into existence. A saint named Jesus did not create anything but he himself was born in the mind of God like all of us were.

The Word of the Lord is the Christ that Jesus, Peter, Paul, Daniel, Ezekiel, Moses and I witnessed as we wrote and spoke for our Creator.

 

[james2ko]

All of us were in Christ before we became flesh. We were all born in the mind ( thoughts ) of our Creator before He spoke His creation into existence. A saint named Jesus did not create anything but he himself was born in the mind of God like all of us were.

Is that scriptural or philosophical? If scriptural, can you point to a scripture that indicates He did not exist as a spirit being prior to His incarnation?

The Word of the Lord is the Christ that Jesus, Peter, Paul, Daniel, Ezekiel, Moses and I witnessed as we wrote and spoke for our Creator.

I realize the creation was planned before it was implemented. If you experienced Christ as did these gentlemen, are you saying you saw and experienced Him like they did?

 

[thevoiceofgod]

Is that scriptural or philosophical? If scriptural, can you point to a scripture that indicates He did not exist as a spirit being prior to His incarnation?



I realize the creation was planned before it was implemented. If you experienced Christ as did these gentlemen, are you saying you saw and experienced Him like they did?

Christ is not a visible man named Jesus. Christ is the invisible creation of God's where we were all created as information. This information has to be processed through each created being who is like a computer processor in order for that created being to experience life with his created senses.

I have the mind of Christ that was revealed to me through written and spoken testimonies that the body was forced to write and speak. When the body that's writing this sentence has been killed, I will remain as the Word of the Lord.

 

[james2ko]

Christ is not a visible man named Jesus. Christ is the invisible creation of God's where we were all created as information. This information has to be processed through each created being who is like a computer processor in order for that created being to experience life with his created senses.

I have the mind of Christ that was revealed to me through written and spoken testimonies that the body was forced to write and speak. When the body that's writing this sentence has been killed, I will remain as the Word of the Lord.

Alrighty then....

 

[thevoiceofgod]

Alrighty then....

Have a nice day my friend.

 

[moorea944]

Is that scriptural or philosophical? If scriptural, can you point to a scripture that indicates He did not exist as a spirit being prior to His incarnation?



I realize the creation was planned before it was implemented. If you experienced Christ as did these gentlemen, are you saying you saw and experienced Him like they did?

Is that scriptural or philosophical? If scriptural, can you point to a scripture that indicates He did not exist as a spirit being prior to His incarnation?

He doesnt have to James.... Jesus didnt pre-exist. He pre-exist for you because you take the verses out of context to fit your beliefs.. It's you that has to come up with something on this subject that he did pre-exist, not us..... Plus, we shouldnt be using words like "incarnation". That is totally non spritural.

 

[moorea944]

Perhaps I'm missing something but I do not see anything remotely resembling the notion He did not pre-exist in any of these verses. All I see is the focus on His role in becoming a human. Should that negate all of the verses speaking of His pre-existence? No. It merely tells us that He was a spirit entity prior to becoming a full human. Of course you have demonstrated how one can read far more into these verses than the text warrants.

ok.... give us one verse that Jesus pre-existed....

Plus, if he did pre-exist, why then the role of father and son? Why going into this role of being born? Couldnt he have just appeared on earth as a man like figure? Doesnt make sense does it...

 

[Notaclue]

ok.... give us one verse that Jesus pre-existed....

Plus, if he did pre-exist, why then the role of father and son? Why going into this role of being born? Couldnt he have just appeared on earth as a man like figure? Doesnt make sense does it...

Col.1:12. giving thanks unto the Father, who made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light;
13who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love;
14in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins:
15who is the 'image of the invisible God', the firstborn of all creation;
16. for 'in him' were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created. through him, and unto(in) him;
17and he is before all things, and 'in him all things consist.'
18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, "the firstborn from the dead;" that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19For it was the good pleasure of the Father that 'in him' should all the fulness dwell;
20 and through him to reconcile all things unto(in) himself, having made peace through the blood of his cross; 'through him,' I say, whether things upon the earth, or things in the heavens.

Jn.8:57The Jews therefore said unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

There are more if you would like to see them?

Peace.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

ok.... give us one verse that Jesus pre-existed....
Plus, if he did pre-exist, why then the role of father and son? Why going into this role of being born? Couldnt he have just appeared on earth as a man like figure? Doesnt make sense does it...

According to Scripture it was God who sent the pre-human Jesus to earth to be born as a human, a sinless human.
John 3:17; John 3:34; John 5:23-24; John 5:37; 1 John 4:9-10

All of God's angelic creation are referred to as: sons.
In Noah's day the ' fallen angels ' used materialized bodies to marry the women of earth.
After God resurrected the dead Jesus back in his spirit body, then Jesus used materialized bodies to appear to his followers before Jesus ascended to heaven - Acts of the Apostles 1:9
Adam started out as a sinless human.
Adam proved unfaithful under least.
Jesus born as a sinless human, unlike Adam, Jesus proved faithful under much.
By being born a sinless human Jesus could thus balance the Scales of Justice for us.
We can Not resurrect oneself or another, but through Jesus' ransom for us we can have a resurrection back to life again - Revelation 1:18; Matthew 20:28

 

[URAVIP2ME]

......, we shouldn't be using words like "incarnation". That is totally non scriptural.

Right, moorea994 ^ above ^ It is totally non-scriptural, un-scriptural, not found in Scripture, words like: "Incarnation" and the meaning thereof.

 

[james2ko]

Have a nice day my friend.

Im not sure I can after your previous reply. But I'll try..

 

[james2ko]

He doesnt have to James.... Jesus didnt pre-exist. He pre-exist for you because you take the verses out of context to fit your beliefs.. It's you that has to come up with something on this subject that he did pre-exist, not us.....

1. Oh. You mean Isa 43:10? The passage where "God/EL" appears in the singular in every Hebrew manuscript in existence and you quote it in the plural? Yet you have the nerve to accuse me of taking Isa 43:10 out of context??? lol

ok.... give us one verse that Jesus pre-existed....

2. I did. And you changed the subject from singular to plural to make it fit your beliefs. Then when I asked you to provide one that states He did not pre-exist, you added words that are not in the original so that it complies with your dogma. smh (shaking my head).

Here is another one:

Rev 3:14-- And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; ​

The context and syntax of this passage indicates Christ was God the Father's very first creative act. It is only logical to conclude Christ was once a spirit entity before taking on the flesh.

Plus, we shouldnt be using words like "incarnation". That is totally non spritural.

3. Incarnation is a modern term utilized to describe a deity taking on flesh, which is scriptural. Angels took on flesh or "incarnated" in the OT, there is no reason why one could not take on flesh or incarnate in the NT. What is unscriptural is doing what you did with Isa 43:10 and Heb 2:16----adding to the sacred text to support a doctrine:

Deu 12:32 "Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.
​

Plus, if he did pre-exist, why then the role of father and son? Why going into this role of being born? Couldnt he have just appeared on earth as a man like figure? Doesnt make sense does it...

4. A pre-existing spirit entity taking on flesh has scriptural precedence thus makes perfect sense. The difference between us is I focus on all aspects of the biblical text and try to make sense of what God has revealed. You and the rest of the radical Unitarians have to alter what God has revealed to make it sensible to your doctrine. Not good moorea.

 

[thevoiceofgod]

Col.1:12. giving thanks unto the Father, who made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light;
13who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love;
14in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins:
15who is the 'image of the invisible God', the firstborn of all creation;
16. for 'in him' were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created. through him, and unto(in) him;
17and he is before all things, and 'in him all things consist.'
18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, "the firstborn from the dead;" that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19For it was the good pleasure of the Father that 'in him' should all the fulness dwell;
20 and through him to reconcile all things unto(in) himself, having made peace through the blood of his cross; 'through him,' I say, whether things upon the earth, or things in the heavens.

Jn.8:57The Jews therefore said unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

There are more if you would like to see them?

Peace.

Don't you know that Jesus, Peter, Timothy, Stephen, Paul, Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, and the rest of us saints and prophets testify to the Word of the Lord by writing and speaking for Him? This is how God reveals His wisdom ( knowledge ).

The "He" in the above biblical passages is God's knowledge that was spoken into His creation. Knowledge (the Word of the Lord ) was the first born of His creation because that's where everything was planned by Him before He spoke us and our experiences into a simulation program called Eternal Life.

 

[thevoiceofgod]

1. Oh. You mean Isa 43:10? The passage where "God/EL" appears in the singular in every Hebrew manuscript in existence and you quote it in the plural? Yet you have the nerve to accuse me of taking Isa 43:10 out of context??? lol



2. I did. And you changed the subject from singular to plural to make it fit your beliefs. Then when I asked you to provide one that states He did not pre-exist, you added words that are not in the original so that it complies with your dogma. smh (shaking my head).

Here is another one:

Rev 3:14-- And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; ​

The context and syntax of this passage indicates Christ was God the Father's very first creative act. It is only logical to conclude Christ was once a spirit entity before taking on the flesh.



3. Incarnation is a modern term utilized to describe a deity taking on flesh, which is scriptural. Angels took on flesh or "incarnated" in the OT, there is no reason why one could not take on flesh or incarnate in the NT. What is unscriptural is doing what you did with Isa 43:10 and Heb 2:16----adding to the sacred text to support a doctrine:

Deu 12:32 "Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.
​

4. A pre-existing spirit entity taking on flesh has scriptural precedence thus makes perfect sense. The difference between us is I focus on all aspects of the biblical text and try to make sense of what God has revealed. You and the rest of the radical Unitarians have to alter what God has revealed to make it sensible to your doctrine. Not good moorea.

Christ is where all God's people ( visible and invisible ) came from. Christ is the Word of the Lord, also known as the Voice of the Lord, Kingdom of God, Kingdom of Heaven, Kingdom of the Holy Spirit, Kingdom of Jesus Christ, the Light of men, the Tree of Life, etc.

Christ is not ONE MAN named Jesus.

 

[Notaclue]

Don't you know that Jesus, Peter, Timothy, Stephen, Paul, Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, and the rest of us saints and prophets testify to the Word of the Lord by writing and speaking for Him? This is how God reveals His wisdom ( knowledge ).c

The "He" in the above biblical passages is God's knowledge that was spoken into His creation. Knowledge (the Word of the Lord ) was the first born of His creation because that's where everything was planned by Him before He spoke us and our experiences into a simulation program called Eternal Life.

This is how God reveals His wisdom ( knowledge ).

Don't you know that Jesus, Peter, Timothy, Stephen, Paul, Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, and the rest of us saints and prophets testify to the Word of the Lord by writing and speaking for Him? This is how God reveals His wisdom ( knowledge ).

The "He" in the above biblical passages is God's knowledge that was spoken into His creation. Knowledge (the Word of the Lord ) was the first born of His creation because that's where everything was planned by Him before He spoke us and our experiences into a simulation program called Eternal Life.

"This is how God reveals His wisdom ( knowledge )."


Is.11:1. And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

2And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

The Spirit of knowledge and the Spirit of wisdom are Two different Spirits.

Rev.5:12
saying with a loud voice, "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing."

Can you explain? Thanks.

Peace.

 

[thevoiceofgod]

This is how God reveals His wisdom ( knowledge ).



"This is how God reveals His wisdom ( knowledge )."


Is.11:1. And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

2And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

The Spirit of knowledge and the Spirit of wisdom are Two different Spirits.

Rev.5:12
saying with a loud voice, "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing."

Can you explain? Thanks.

Peace.

The Spirit of God is His invisible creation made of nothing but invisible vibrations that He spoke into a simulation program called Eternal Life.

Wisdom and knowledge and God's thoughts mean the same exact thing. Information is also a good way to describe God's creation.

Psalm 92
5: How great are thy works, O LORD! Thy thoughts are very deep!
6: The dull man cannot know, the stupid cannot understand this:

Psalm 94
7: and they say, "The LORD does not see; the God of Jacob does not perceive."
8: Understand, O dullest of the people! Fools, when will you be wise?
9: He who planted the ear, does he not hear? He who formed the eye, does he not see?
10: He who chastens the nations, does he not chastise? He who teaches men knowledge,
11: the LORD, knows the thoughts of man, that they are but a breath.

Psalm 139
17: How precious to me are thy thoughts, O God! How vast is the sum of them!

Genesis 2
7: then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

The thoughts of God is where we all came from along with our life experiences. He spoke those thoughts into computer technology that is much more advanced than any computer technology that He taught His created characters to build through His program called the Beast.

 

[Notaclue]

The Spirit of God is His invisible creation made of nothing but invisible vibrations that He spoke into a simulation program called Eternal Life.

Wisdom and knowledge and God's thoughts mean the same exact thing. Information is also a good way to describe God's creation.

Psalm 92
5: How great are thy works, O LORD! Thy thoughts are very deep!
6: The dull man cannot know, the stupid cannot understand this:

Psalm 94
7: and they say, "The LORD does not see; the God of Jacob does not perceive."
8: Understand, O dullest of the people! Fools, when will you be wise?
9: He who planted the ear, does he not hear? He who formed the eye, does he not see?
10: He who chastens the nations, does he not chastise? He who teaches men knowledge,
11: the LORD, knows the thoughts of man, that they are but a breath.

Psalm 139
17: How precious to me are thy thoughts, O God! How vast is the sum of them!

Genesis 2
7: then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. (Soul)

The thoughts of God is where we all came from along with our life experiences. He spoke those thoughts into computer technology that is much more advanced than any computer technology that He taught His created characters to build through His program called the Beast.

Ps11s11: the LORD, knows the thoughts of man, that they are but a breath.


Ps.94:11: the LORD, knows the thoughts of man, that they are but a breath.


Gen.7:22 of all that was on the dry land, all in whose nostrils was the breath 'of' the spirit 'of' life, died.


1Cor.2:11. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

Prov.20:27. The breath of man is a lamp of Jehovah, Searching all the inner parts of the heart.

Rev.21:22. And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.
23And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb.

The Lamp is the Lamb.

Rev.22:1. Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb
2 through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servantsc will worship him.
4They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads.
5And night will be no more. They will need no light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will be their light, and they will reign forever and ever.

They will need no light of lamp (Lamb).

Matt.13:40. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of "his" kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 "Then" shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the 'kingdom of their Father'. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear

Kingdom of the Son ........Kingdom of the Father.


1Cor.15:20. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24Then cometh the end, when he shall have 'delivered' up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


24. Then cometh the end, when he shall have 'delivered' up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

28 then shall the Son also himself be 'subject' unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


Rev.22:5. They will need no light of lamp (Lamb).


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Wisdom and knowledge and God's thoughts mean the same exact thing.


Archangels

Arch = Beginning

Beginning Angels


Peace to you.

 

[thevoiceofgod]

Ps11s11: the LORD, knows the thoughts of man, that they are but a breath.


Ps.94:11: the LORD, knows the thoughts of man, that they are but a breath.


Gen.7:22 of all that was on the dry land, all in whose nostrils was the breath 'of' the spirit 'of' life, died.


1Cor.2:11. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

Prov.20:27. The breath of man is a lamp of Jehovah, Searching all the inner parts of the heart.

Rev.21:22. And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.
23And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb.

The Lamp is the Lamb.

Rev.22:1. Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb
2 through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servantsc will worship him.
4They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads.
5And night will be no more. They will need no light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will be their light, and they will reign forever and ever.

They will need no light of lamp (Lamb).

Matt.13:40. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of "his" kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 "Then" shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the 'kingdom of their Father'. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear

Kingdom of the Son ........Kingdom of the Father.


1Cor.15:20. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24Then cometh the end, when he shall have 'delivered' up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


24. Then cometh the end, when he shall have 'delivered' up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

28 then shall the Son also himself be 'subject' unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


Rev.22:5. They will need no light of lamp (Lamb).


(Quote)
Wisdom and knowledge and God's thoughts mean the same exact thing.


Archangels

Arch = Beginning

Beginning Angels


Peace to you.

Thanks for quoting scriptures. If you're interested, I can teach you what the Beast of Daniel and Revelation means.