Is Jesus separate from the father?

[paarsurrey]

Is Jesus separate from the father?

Sure Jesus is separate.

Regards

 

[Muffled]

Yes,Jesus does say this,but it in no way means that Jesus and God the Almighty are one,literally.It speaks of a spiritual union,not a literal one.Also,it never mentions the holy spirit in this union.

I believe Jesus does mention it.

I believe it is difficult to discern what you mean by literaly here. It is literally God speaking even if the mouth is not God. It is God's personality that shines through the body. I believe it is enough that the Spirit makes Jesus God even though the body isn't.

 

[Nada]

I believe Jesus does mention it.

I believe it is difficult to discern what you mean by literaly here. It is literally God speaking even if the mouth is not God. It is God's personality that shines through the body. I believe it is enough that the Spirit makes Jesus God even though the body isn't.

But Jesus is not God the Almighty, no matter how much one tries to prove it.It just is not true.Jesus is not literally God the Almighty.Jesus is the Son of God.Just because I act and speak like my father does not make me him.

 

[Muffled]

obviously these verses are added and Jesus PBUH never said that. But thanks for trying.

I believe you don't have an iota of proof to back that up.

Good argument. The Holy spirit is ignored again.

How come holy spirit is so much ignored in the bible:
1) The father is greater than me .....(where is holy spirit?)
2) me and the father are one....(where is holy spirity again?)
3) God has sent me.....(where is holy spirit?)

I don't believe arguments without a basis are good arguments.

I believe there is a time for everything. This is the null hypothesis whaich means you have to prove that the Holy Spirit should be mentioned.

 

[Sleeppy]

Yes and no.. Same applies for all of us.

 

[Muffled]

But Jesus is not God the Almighty, no matter how much one tries to prove it.It just is not true.Jesus is not literally God the Almighty.Jesus is the Son of God.Just because I act and speak like my father does not make me him.

I don't believe you have provided anything evidential that contradicts what I said.

I believe you can try to speak and act but you will not achieve it without the Holy Spirit and then not for long but Jesus made this claim and I find His words to be God's words amd His actins to be God's actions and His personalty to be God's personailty.

 

[Nada]

I believe Jesus does mention it.

I believe it is difficult to discern what you mean by literaly here. It is literally God speaking even if the mouth is not God. It is God's personality that shines through the body. I believe it is enough that the Spirit makes Jesus God even though the body isn't.

Jesus is not God the Almighty, and the Spirit Jesus has is his own,not God's.God the Almighty sends the holy spirit to assist and guide those who do God's will.

If it is as you say and Jesus is God literally, then why is he on his face praying scared, and asking his father to remove the cup?

Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

So here we have Jesus praying with his face to the ground scared about what is about to take place.God the Almighty does not pray to anyone.People pray to Him.Another thing,Jesus is asking permission to have the task at hand removed.He was scared for his life.God the Almighty never ask permission from anyone.That is what Almighty means.Notice at the end it says,"but as you will."

This is a clear indication that the Father is in charge and Jesus is his representative on earth.Two separate entities and one greater that the other.

John 10:29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand.

So we know who is really in control.The HS makes it very clear.

1 Corinthians 15:27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

 

[Nada]

I don't believe you have provided anything evidential that contradicts what I said.

I believe you can try to speak and act but you will not achieve it without the Holy Spirit and then not for long but Jesus made this claim and I find His words to be God's words amd His actins to be God's actions and His personalty to be God's personailty.

Good things come to those who wait....

 

[Muffled]

In the Baha'i Faith we view Jesus as manifesting the attributes of God to humanity... If you were to be in the presence of Jesus it would likely be the closest you could be to God.

1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power,..."

(King James Bible, Hebrews)

1:26 "Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints"...

(King James Bible, Colossians)

I believe manifested means having a brain to think with and a tongue to speak with.

 

[Nada]

I believe manifested means having a brain to think with and a tongue to speak with.

arthra is on the right path.

 

[Nada]

I believe manifested means having a brain to think with and a tongue to speak with.

Your definition is not even close to what it really means.

 

[Muffled]

Jesus is not God the Almighty, and the Spirit Jesus has is his own,not God's.God the Almighty sends the holy spirit to assist and guide those who do God's will.

If it is as you say and Jesus is God literally, then why is he on his face praying scared, and asking his father to remove the cup?

Matthew 26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

So here we have Jesus praying with his face to the ground scared about what is about to take place.God the Almighty does not pray to anyone.People pray to Him.Another thing,Jesus is asking permission to have the task at hand removed.He was scared for his life.God the Almighty never ask permission from anyone.That is what Almighty means.Notice at the end it says,"but as you will."

This is a clear indication that the Father is in charge and Jesus is his representative on earth.Two separate entities and one greater that the other.

John 10:29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand.

So we know who is really in control.The HS makes it very clear.

1 Corinthians 15:27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

I believe repeating something that hasn't been proven only shows that you can't really prove it.

I believe there is absolutely no evidence of this.

I believe what Jesus says that the Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.

I believe it is not proof of that except that the flesh and the Spirit are two separate entities but in Jesus they are together.

 

[Muffled]

Your definition is not even close to what it really means.

I don't beleive you can prove that and Ican provide verses that proves it is so.

 

[Nada]

I don't beleive you can prove that and Ican provide verses that proves it is so.

 

[paarsurrey]

I don't beleive you can prove that and I can provide verses that proves it is so.

Please provide one verse (not a list) along-with five verses preceding and five verses following for the context and then prove your viewpoint.
Regards

 

[psychoslice]

My way of thinking is that Jesus is one with the father, or source as I like to call it, in fact we are all one with the source, its just our conditioning that makes us believe we are separate, this realization that we are one is what is called enlightenment. Jesus was a self realized man who realized he was one with the source or the father, we all can be just as Jesus was, oneness belongs to all, not just one man in history.

 

[paarsurrey]

My way of thinking is that Jesus is one with the father

Jesus did not have a father.

Regards