Is Jesus truly God?

[Kristoffer]

We read in Matthew 27:46:
“Jesus cried out in a loud voice, ‘Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?’ which means, ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me ?’ ”

Why did Jesus say and think this if he himself truly was God?

I have readed a answer that sound like: "Jesus was fully human. He fully experienced the pain of death and the feeling of separation." But i dont think this answer alone can give a real answer for this question. Im very interested in what you have to say about this.

 

[`mud]

That's what Saul said......
I'm not sure that it's a fact.
Did He say it, was He God,
who wrote the scriptures ?
~
'mud

 

[Shiranui117]

We read in Matthew 27:46:
“Jesus cried out in a loud voice, ‘Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?’ which means, ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me ?’ ”

Why did Jesus say and think this if he himself truly was God?

I have readed a answer that sound like: "Jesus was fully human. He fully experienced the pain of death and the feeling of separation." But i dont think this answer alone can give a real answer for this question. Im very interested in what you have to say about this.

He was quoting the first line of Psalm 22, which itself was a prophecy of Jesus' crucifixion and the redemption it would bring not only Israel, but the whole world.

I don't like posting massive blocks of Scripture, and forgive me, but here's the full Psalm.

My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from helping me, from the words of my groaning?
2 O my God, I cry by day, but you do not answer;
and by night, but find no rest.

3 Yet you are holy,
enthroned on the praises of Israel.
4 In you our ancestors trusted;
they trusted, and you delivered them.
5 To you they cried, and were saved;
in you they trusted, and were not put to shame.

6 But I am a worm, and not human;
scorned by others, and despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock at me;
they make mouths at me, they shake their heads;
8 “Commit your cause to the Lord; let him deliver—
let him rescue the one in whom he delights!”

9 Yet it was you who took me from the womb;
you kept me safe on my mother’s breast.
10 On you I was cast from my birth,
and since my mother bore me you have been my God.
11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.

12 Many bulls encircle me,
strong bulls of Bashan surround me;
13 they open wide their mouths at me,
like a ravening and roaring lion.

14 I am poured out like water,
and all my bones are out of joint;
my heart is like wax;
it is melted within my breast;
15 my mouth is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to my jaws;
you lay me in the dust of death.

16 For dogs are all around me;
a company of evildoers encircles me.
My hands and feet have shriveled;
17 I can count all my bones.
They stare and gloat over me;
18 they divide my clothes among themselves,
and for my clothing they cast lots.

19 But you, O Lord, do not be far away!
O my help, come quickly to my aid!
20 Deliver my soul from the sword,
my life from the power of the dog!
21 Save me from the mouth of the lion!

From the horns of the wild oxen you have rescued me.
22 I will tell of your name to my brothers and sisters;
in the midst of the congregation I will praise you:
23 You who fear the Lord, praise him!
All you offspring of Jacob, glorify him;
stand in awe of him, all you offspring of Israel!
24 For he did not despise or abhor
the affliction of the afflicted;
he did not hide his face from me,
but heard when I cried to him.

25 From you comes my praise in the great congregation;
my vows I will pay before those who fear him.
26 The poor shall eat and be satisfied;
those who seek him shall praise the Lord.
May your hearts live forever!

27 All the ends of the earth shall remember
and turn to the Lord;
and all the families of the nations
shall worship before him.
28 For dominion belongs to the Lord,
and he rules over the nations.

29 To him, indeed, shall all who sleep in the earth bow down;
before him shall bow all who go down to the dust,
and I shall live for him.
30 Posterity will serve him;
future generations will be told about the Lord,
31 and proclaim his deliverance to a people yet unborn,
saying that he has done it.

There is a lot to be said about this Psalm, but I'll just say it functions as a beautiful prophecy of Jesus' crucifixion and the Gospel being spread out to the ends of the earth, with God delivering us from our sin and suffering. Jesus recited the first line of this Psalm to bring it to the minds of those who were witnessing the Crucifixion. I can elaborate more if you like.

 

[Kristoffer]

He was quoting the first line of Psalm 22, which itself was a prophecy of Jesus' crucifixion and the redemption it would bring not only Israel, but the whole world.

I don't like posting massive blocks of Scripture, and forgive me, but here's the full Psalm.

My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from helping me, from the words of my groaning?
2 O my God, I cry by day, but you do not answer;
and by night, but find no rest.

3 Yet you are holy,
enthroned on the praises of Israel.
4 In you our ancestors trusted;
they trusted, and you delivered them.
5 To you they cried, and were saved;
in you they trusted, and were not put to shame.

6 But I am a worm, and not human;
scorned by others, and despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock at me;
they make mouths at me, they shake their heads;
8 “Commit your cause to the Lord; let him deliver—
let him rescue the one in whom he delights!”

9 Yet it was you who took me from the womb;
you kept me safe on my mother’s breast.
10 On you I was cast from my birth,
and since my mother bore me you have been my God.
11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.

12 Many bulls encircle me,
strong bulls of Bashan surround me;
13 they open wide their mouths at me,
like a ravening and roaring lion.

14 I am poured out like water,
and all my bones are out of joint;
my heart is like wax;
it is melted within my breast;
15 my mouth is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to my jaws;
you lay me in the dust of death.

16 For dogs are all around me;
a company of evildoers encircles me.
My hands and feet have shriveled;
17 I can count all my bones.
They stare and gloat over me;
18 they divide my clothes among themselves,
and for my clothing they cast lots.

19 But you, O Lord, do not be far away!
O my help, come quickly to my aid!
20 Deliver my soul from the sword,
my life from the power of the dog!
21 Save me from the mouth of the lion!

From the horns of the wild oxen you have rescued me.
22 I will tell of your name to my brothers and sisters;
in the midst of the congregation I will praise you:
23 You who fear the Lord, praise him!
All you offspring of Jacob, glorify him;
stand in awe of him, all you offspring of Israel!
24 For he did not despise or abhor
the affliction of the afflicted;
he did not hide his face from me,
but heard when I cried to him.

25 From you comes my praise in the great congregation;
my vows I will pay before those who fear him.
26 The poor shall eat and be satisfied;
those who seek him shall praise the Lord.
May your hearts live forever!

27 All the ends of the earth shall remember
and turn to the Lord;
and all the families of the nations
shall worship before him.
28 For dominion belongs to the Lord,
and he rules over the nations.

29 To him, indeed, shall all who sleep in the earth bow down;
before him shall bow all who go down to the dust,
and I shall live for him.
30 Posterity will serve him;
future generations will be told about the Lord,
31 and proclaim his deliverance to a people yet unborn,
saying that he has done it.

There is a lot to be said about this Psalm, but I'll just say it functions as a beautiful prophecy of Jesus' crucifixion and the Gospel being spread out to the ends of the earth, with God delivering us from our sin and suffering. Jesus recited the first line of this Psalm to bring it to the minds of those who were witnessing the Crucifixion. I can elaborate more if you like.

Ah, I see! Thats a good argument! And yes, Shiranui117, I would very much like you to tell and explain me more Thank you for your kindness! ^^

 

[URAVIP2ME]

We read in Matthew 27:46:
“Jesus cried out in a loud voice, ‘Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?’ which means, ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me ?’ ”
Why did Jesus say and think this if he himself truly was God?
I have readed a answer that sound like: "Jesus was fully human. He fully experienced the pain of death and the feeling of separation." But i dont think this answer alone can give a real answer for this question. Im very interested in what you have to say about this.

Jesus said what he said because Jesus is Not God but God's created first heavenly Son.
According to gospel writer John at Revelation 1:5; 3:14 Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God.
Since God had No beginning - Psalm 90:2 - then Jesus was Not before the beginning as God was before the beginning.

Jesus died for our sins, thus by feeling abandoned or forsaken by God he was showing us that he was dying of his own free will.
God was Not protecting Jesus from what he was going through for us.
However, Jesus was Not abandoned or forsaken in hell because God resurrected the dead Jesus out of the Bible's hell or grave.
- Acts 2:24,27; 3:15; 13 vs 30,37; Romans 4:24; Psalm 16:10

 

[Shiranui117]

Ah, I see! Thats a good argument! And yes, Shiranui117, I would very much like you to tell and explain me more Thank you for your kindness! ^^

Certainly! Though I must say that I am very busy with coursework at the moment, and may not get a chance to reply until Thursday.

 

[absanji]

Shiranul117

1. I think Psalms 22 speak of the speaker himself - King David when he was surrounded by his enemies. Verse 2 contradict Jesus said "He ALWAYS HEARD ME".

Further, according to Christian's dogma Jesus was ALWAYS God so why would he cry to himself?

 

[Shiranui117]

Ah, I see! Thats a good argument! And yes, Shiranui117, I would very much like you to tell and explain me more Thank you for your kindness! ^^

Alright, now that I have a spare hour, time to break down part of this Psalm. I won't cover all of it, since some verses are very self-explanatory as to how they relate to Christ.

My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from helping me, from the words of my groaning?
2 O my God, I cry by day, but you do not answer;
and by night, but find no rest.

This is the despair that comes from death, with which Jesus was identifying.

6 But I am a worm, and not human;
scorned by others, and despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock at me;
they make mouths at me, they shake their heads;
8 “Commit your cause to the Lord; let him deliver—
let him rescue the one in whom he delights!”

We can see that these verses apply perfectly to how Jesus was treated when He was crucified; the Pharisees and the crowds were curious to see if Jesus would either come down from the Cross, or whether the Lord or Elijah would deliver Him.

12 Many bulls encircle me,
strong bulls of Bashan surround me;
13 they open wide their mouths at me,
like a ravening and roaring lion.

Much like the crowds shouting "Crucify Him!" and the Sanhedrin abusing Jesus and having Him beaten.

14 I am poured out like water,
and all my bones are out of joint;
my heart is like wax;
it is melted within my breast;
15 my mouth is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to my jaws;
you lay me in the dust of death.

This parallels how exhausted Jesus was by the time He even got to Calvary, having been beaten and scourged to the point of falling three times while carrying the Cross.

16 For dogs are all around me;
a company of evildoers encircles me.
My hands and feet have shriveled;
17 I can count all my bones.
They stare and gloat over me;
18 they divide my clothes among themselves,
and for my clothing they cast lots.

Verse 18 here is directly cited by Luke 23:34 and John 19:4 as Jesus is being crucified, and the Romans cast lots to see who gets His seamless garment.

19 But you, O Lord, do not be far away!
O my help, come quickly to my aid!
20 Deliver my soul from the sword,
my life from the power of the dog!
21 Save me from the mouth of the lion!

This is the turning point in the Psalm--beforehand, this Psalm was about lamenting and suffering. When the Psalmist calls upon God instead of lamenting and despairing, this is when things change. Just as the tone changes after Jesus gives up His spirit to His Father, there is a fundamental change in the Gospel narrative from looking at the suffering and betrayal of Jesus to something more wondrous and mysterious, something profound which would change the course of history.

From the horns of the wild oxen you have rescued me.
22 I will tell of your name to my brothers and sisters;
in the midst of the congregation I will praise you:
23 You who fear the Lord, praise him!
All you offspring of Jacob, glorify him;
stand in awe of him, all you offspring of Israel!
24 For he did not despise or abhor
the affliction of the afflicted;
he did not hide his face from me,
but heard when I cried to him.

We might find a parallel in Psalm 16:8-11, where it says...

Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad;
Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
27 For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the ways of life;
You will make me full of joy in Your presence.’

25 From you comes my praise in the great congregation;
my vows I will pay before those who fear him.
26 The poor shall eat and be satisfied;
those who seek him shall praise the Lord.
May your hearts live forever!

With verse 26, we can find parallels with the Beatitudes: "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled". Jesus is the Bread of Life Who satisfies those Who come to Him, as it's said in John 6: "35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst." Our Lord satisfies us by giving of Himself to us in the Eucharist.

27 All the ends of the earth shall remember
and turn to the Lord;
and all the families of the nations
shall worship before him.
28 For dominion belongs to the Lord,
and he rules over the nations.

And the Church was spread by the Apostles and succeeding generations of Christians to all the earth, preaching the Gospel. In Philippians 2:10-11, it says that every knee shall bend and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. These verses from Psalm 22 also point to the reality that Jesus has dominion over all things; this is backed up by Acts 10:36.

29 To him, indeed, shall all who sleep in the earth bow down;
before him shall bow all who go down to the dust,
and I shall live for him.
30 Posterity will serve him;
future generations will be told about the Lord,
31 and proclaim his deliverance to a people yet unborn,
saying that he has done it.

Verse 29 especially has parallels in 1 Peter 3:18-21, where Jesus goes down to Hades and proclaims the Gospel to those who had died in the Flood of old.

I hope that helps!

 

[Kristoffer]

Absolutely - this helps exceptionally! Thx for good explanation!

 

[Shiranui117]

Shiranul117

1. I think Psalms 22 speak of the speaker himself - King David when he was surrounded by his enemies.

Of course the Psalm also refers to that. Scripture has multiple layers of meaning; this is something that has been acknowledged practically since the very beginning. Otherwise the Scriptures would have no use for us outside of the practical moral admonishments. The Psalms remain an important part of the Scriptures for a reason.

Verse 2 contradict Jesus said "He ALWAYS HEARD ME".

Think of the Garden of Gethsemane, where Jesus is sorrowful, "even unto death". Jesus is experiencing the same despair that we go through when we know our end is near, as He is fully human just as we are, and was in every way tempted as we are, and experienced the fullness of human experience including despair and death, yet He is without sin. That is the entire reason He was able to say "My God, My God, why have You forsaken me?". Verse 2 of Psalm 22 is no different than that. Even Jesus feels how death swallows up humanity, cutting us off from God, Who is Life. And yet Jesus would soon triumph over death and sin, setting us free. Think of the whole message of Psalm 22, not just one or two little verses.

Further, according to Christian's dogma Jesus was ALWAYS God so why would he cry to himself?

Because the Father and the Son (Jesus) are two distinct Persons, yet one God. Jesus is indeed crying to His Father, and not to Himself.

 

[.kaleb]

Think for yourself!
What do the scriptures say about Jesus?
(Byington) 2 Corinthians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and God of all encouragement,
What is the apostle Paul here saying about Christ? If Jesus is God, why is Jesus said to have both a father, and a God?

What does Jesus himself say?
When tempted by the devil to perform one act of worship in exchange for rulership over the kingdoms on the earth, Jesus replied: (King James Version) Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
•Who is the only God one should serve, and what was "written" by which Jesus was quoting?
(American Standard Version) Deuteronomy 6:13 Thou shalt fear Jehovah thy God; and him shalt thou serve, and shalt swear by his name.

So is Jesus TRUELY God as the op asked? Well that is for each to determine, and the best way to determine IMO, is to look at what the scriptures actually say. Go right to the source.

 

[`mud]

And what did God say about Jesus.
To anyone ?
~
'mud

 

[.kaleb]

And what did God say about Jesus.
To anyone ?
~
'mud

Matthew 3:16,17 16 After being baptized, Jesus immediately came up from the water; and look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw God’s spirit descending like a dove and coming upon him. 17 Look! Also, a voice from the heavens said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”

Matthew 17:5 While he was still speaking, look! a bright cloud overshadowed them, and look! a voice out of the cloud said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Alright, now that I have a spare hour, time to break down part of this Psalm. I won't cover all of it, since some verses are very self-explanatory as to how they relate to Christ.

This is the despair that comes from death, with which Jesus was identifying.

We can see that these verses apply perfectly to how Jesus was treated when He was crucified; the Pharisees and the crowds were curious to see if Jesus would either come down from the Cross, or whether the Lord or Elijah would deliver Him.

Much like the crowds shouting "Crucify Him!" and the Sanhedrin abusing Jesus and having Him beaten.

This parallels how exhausted Jesus was by the time He even got to Calvary, having been beaten and scourged to the point of falling three times while carrying the Cross.
Verse 18 here is directly cited by Luke 23:34 and John 19:4 as Jesus is being crucified, and the Romans cast lots to see who gets His seamless garment.

This is the turning point in the Psalm--beforehand, this Psalm was about lamenting and suffering. When the Psalmist calls upon God instead of lamenting and despairing, this is when things change. Just as the tone changes after Jesus gives up His spirit to His Father, there is a fundamental change in the Gospel narrative from looking at the suffering and betrayal of Jesus to something more wondrous and mysterious, something profound which would change the course of history.

We might find a parallel in Psalm 16:8-11, where it says...

Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad;
Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
27 For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the ways of life;
You will make me full of joy in Your presence.’

With verse 26, we can find parallels with the Beatitudes: "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled". Jesus is the Bread of Life Who satisfies those Who come to Him, as it's said in John 6: "35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst." Our Lord satisfies us by giving of Himself to us in the Eucharist.

And the Church was spread by the Apostles and succeeding generations of Christians to all the earth, preaching the Gospel. In Philippians 2:10-11, it says that every knee shall bend and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. These verses from Psalm 22 also point to the reality that Jesus has dominion over all things; this is backed up by Acts 10:36.

Verse 29 especially has parallels in 1 Peter 3:18-21, where Jesus goes down to Hades and proclaims the Gospel to those who had died in the Flood of old.

I hope that helps!

I would like to comment on 1st Peter 18-21 in connection to 2nd Peter 2:4,5; Jude verse 6
The resurrected Jesus did Not proclaim to the dead people who died in the Flood, but rather to the sinning angels or demons.
It was Not the word hades but the Greek word Tartarus translated just as hell or hades.
The biblical Tartarus is the prison-like state for those wicked spirits.
Jesus declared a warning message to those fallen angels of God's resolve to destroy the ungodly.
Such as: even Satan will be destroyed by Jesus - Hebrews 2:14 B.

 

[Shiranui117]

I would like to comment on 1st Peter 18-21 in connection to 2nd Peter 2:4,5; Jude verse 6
The resurrected Jesus did Not proclaim to the dead people who died in the Flood, but rather to the sinning angels or demons.
It was Not the word hades but the Greek word Tartarus translated just as hell or hades.
The biblical Tartarus is the prison-like state for those wicked spirits.
Jesus declared a warning message to those fallen angels of God's resolve to destroy the ungodly.
Such as: even Satan will be destroyed by Jesus - Hebrews 2:14 B.

An interesting interpretation, but how do you reconcile this with 1 Peter 3:20, where these spirits in prison are explicitly identified as those who perished during the days of the Flood, long after the demons had rebelled?

by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.

The spirits in prison being those who died in the Flood fits the context of the next chapter, where we are told to not walk in disobedience towards God; St. Peter even uses the term "flood" metaphorically in verse 4 to describe a flood of destructive behavior, much like how it was in the days of Noah.

 

[.kaleb]

The spirits in prison being those who died in the Flood fits the context of the next chapter, where we are told to not walk in disobedience towards God; St. Peter even uses the term "flood" metaphorically in verse 4 to describe a flood of destructive behavior, much like how it was in the days of Noah.

2 Peter 2:4 sheds some light on 1 Peter 3:20...vs 4: Certainly God did not refrain from punishing the angels who sinned, but threw them into Tarʹta·rus, putting them in chains of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment.

"And the angels who did not keep their original position but forsooktheir own proper dwelling place, he has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day." - Jude 4

The angels mentioned in 1 & 2 Peter & Jude are the very ones that Moses first tells us of in genesis 6. These one have been reserved for judgment. Not the men and women that died during the flood.

 

[JR Miller]

We read in Matthew 27:46:
“Jesus cried out in a loud voice, ‘Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?’ which means, ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me ?’ ”

Why did Jesus say and think this if he himself truly was God?

I have readed a answer that sound like: "Jesus was fully human. He fully experienced the pain of death and the feeling of separation." But i dont think this answer alone can give a real answer for this question. Im very interested in what you have to say about this.

You have to understand, first, the condition that Jesus was in as he was dying on the cross. He had been beaten savagely all day, was likely starved and dehydrated, and had been run through with three iron spikes, from which the full weight of his body was now hanging. It was probably a cool and windy day atop Golgotha. For a human being to have even survived such brutal treatment is remarkable in and of itself, but for there to be any coherent speech is simply miraculous. In this moment, Jesus, being made human and the Son of God, shouldn't really be expected to be all-knowing like the Father. And the use of the 'forsaken' should not be taken to mean that Jesus felt God had turned his back on him. I think of the question as more of a, "Why am I still here?" Jesus was given extraordinary strength and durability to survive all of this and to suffer on the cross and throughout his life he was given extraordinary wisdom to understand and even foresee future events. But, ultimately Jesus was made human without perfect knowledge of everything and of the future or God's full plan.

Now, in Christian tradition, God exists in the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. That may be hard to reconcile for someone trying to understand a monotheistic faith, but consider this:

Most people would describe God with such adjectives as all-knowing, all-powerful, and ever-present. God is everywhere, right? If that is true, can there be a place that God does not exist? Of course not. He must be in every meadow, in the streams and lakes, and upon every mountain. God must be in every room of every house. He must be in the very fiber of our bodies right down the atoms and subatomic particles. In order for God to be truly omnipresent, everyone and everything you see must truly be the body of God himself. And the sinner is like an errant part of the body that rebels against the whole and is under threat of being cut off from it, from its lifeline, and the blood and oxygen delivered through faith in Jesus Christ and the kind of love that he and God placed above all other things.

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life (John 3:16).

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

This is why Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Jesus had shown his love for all people during his life of charity, healing, and teaching. As the Son of God, Jesus Christ was sacrificed for our sake, because God so loved the world. What is the "way" of Jesus and God? The way is love. To have faith in Christ is to have faith that both he and God (yet as one) loved us so much as to be willing to make that sacrifice.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

You have to understand, first, the condition that Jesus was in as he was dying on the cross. He had been beaten savagely all day, was likely starved and dehydrated, and had been run through with three iron spikes, from which the full weight of his body was now hanging. It was probably a cool and windy day atop Golgotha. For a human being to have even survived such brutal treatment is remarkable in and of itself, but for there to be any coherent speech is simply miraculous. In this moment, Jesus, being made human and the Son of God, shouldn't really be expected to be all-knowing like the Father. And the use of the 'forsaken' should not be taken to mean that Jesus felt God had turned his back on him. I think of the question as more of a, "Why am I still here?" Jesus was given extraordinary strength and durability to survive all of this and to suffer on the cross and throughout his life he was given extraordinary wisdom to understand and even foresee future events. But, ultimately Jesus was made human without perfect knowledge of everything and of the future or God's full plan.

Now, in Christian tradition, God exists in the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. That may be hard to reconcile for someone trying to understand a monotheistic faith, but consider this:

Most people would describe God with such adjectives as all-knowing, all-powerful, and ever-present. God is everywhere, right? If that is true, can there be a place that God does not exist? Of course not. He must be in every meadow, in the streams and lakes, and upon every mountain. God must be in every room of every house. He must be in the very fiber of our bodies right down the atoms and subatomic particles. In order for God to be truly omnipresent, everyone and everything you see must truly be the body of God himself. And the sinner is like an errant part of the body that rebels against the whole and is under threat of being cut off from it, from its lifeline, and the blood and oxygen delivered through faith in Jesus Christ and the kind of love that he and God placed above all other things.

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life (John 3:16).

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

This is why Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Jesus had shown his love for all people during his life of charity, healing, and teaching. As the Son of God, Jesus Christ was sacrificed for our sake, because God so loved the world. What is the "way" of Jesus and God? The way is love. To have faith in Christ is to have faith that both he and God (yet as one) loved us so much as to be willing to make that sacrifice.

But why do some people say God is all-knowing, all-powerful, and ever-present ?
1) By God gifting his intelligent creation withe free-will choices, then God withdraws His all knowingness about our choices.
2) By God placing limits on Himself then God is Not all powerful because God can Not lie.- Titus 1:2; Hebrews 6:18
3) By God's dwelling home being heaven, then God is Not present everywhere.

See God's chosen location mentioned at 1st Kings 8 vs 27,30,32,34,36,39,43,45,49

 

[URAVIP2ME]

An interesting interpretation, but how do you reconcile this with 1 Peter 3:20, where these spirits in prison are explicitly identified as those who perished during the days of the Flood, long after the demons had rebelled?
by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.
The spirits in prison being those who died in the Flood fits the context of the next chapter, where we are told to not walk in disobedience towards God; St. Peter even uses the term "flood" metaphorically in verse 4 to describe a flood of destructive behavior, much like how it was in the days of Noah.

The spirits in prison - 1st Peter 3:19; 2nd Peter 2:4; Jude 6 - were the disobedient angels of Genesis 6 vs 2,4
They did Not drown in the Flood but lost their materialized bodies and their spirit bodies were chained, so to speak, in Tartarus.
Whereas, except for Noah and immediate family, the rest of the people lost their lives by drowning in the Flood.

So, after Jesus was resurrected in his spirit body then Jesus appeared to those imprisoned angels imprisoned since the Flood.
The 8 souls or persons - Noah and family - survived, but as we know are Not alive as the demonic angels are still temporarily alive.
However, those fallen angels can Never again appear in a materialized body.

Jesus too used the Flood in connection to destructive behavior at Matthew 24: 37-40

 

[JR Miller]

But why do some people say God is all-knowing, all-powerful, and ever-present ?
1) By God gifting his intelligent creation withe free-will choices, then God withdraws His all knowingness about our choices.
2) By God placing limits on Himself then God is Not all powerful because God can Not lie.- Titus 1:2; Hebrews 6:18
3) By God's dwelling home being heaven, then God is Not present everywhere.

See God's chosen location mentioned at 1st Kings 8 vs 27,30,32,34,36,39,43,45,49

We shall simply have to disagree. I do not view the Bible as perfect.