Is living a gay/lesbian lifestyle a problem with God?

[Primordial Annihilator]

I seek to assist to reunite that which has been divided and conquered for 2,730 years to be gathered back into a whole living societal body again under the laws of our Eternal Father.

You can shove your eternal father and His laws up where the sun doesnt shine

Thanks!

Perhaps we should reserve an island for the likes of you...where you can live out your delusions in peace and with no harm done to anyone.

Hail Satan!

 

[waitasec]

You mean to tell me these objectives were realized without any strife? Please don't take me for such an idiot.

oh please...it was in the face of strife that these things happened.
and who fought against these ideals...the religious right.

Huh? Why do you keep making this insinuation? God's Kingdom is a matter of great interest to me. Does this interest make me the center of it all?

because you actually believe a deity is concerned about you

I seek to assist to reunite that which has been divided and conquered for 2,730 years to be gathered back into a whole living societal body again under the laws of our Eternal Father.

see you actually think god needs your assistance...
this is an undue sense of importance, don't you think?

 

[Autodidact]

I know of your world but you know little of mine. That is why you called it little.

O.K. Just let me know if you're ever interested in visiting reality.

 

[kylixguru]

O.K. Just let me know if you're ever interested in visiting reality.

I have a pretty good handle on modern day secularism and its goals but I would be glad to hear more since there is a tremendous amount of truth available in it, of which I'm happy to embrace. Not all of its proponents have put themselves in a cave and squeal with shril when someone flickers in some light they are not adapted to receive.

I'm happy to have sincere mutual exchange with open minded people that can remain objective. So, are you in a cave too or are you ready to give my thoughts and ideas a respectful hearing while I reciprocate the courtesy?

 

[kylixguru]

You mean to tell me these objectives were realized without any strife? Please don't take me for such an idiot.

oh please...it was in the face of strife that these things happened.
and who fought against these ideals...the religious right.

You should also admit a good number of religious people also supported these movements. Thus, religion itself on its own should not be targeted for elimination. And, what is the origin of the strife and what is the context and basis of it all?

because you actually believe a deity is concerned about you

Not to the exclusion of anyone else.

see you actually think god needs your assistance...

You can look at it that way if you like since I consider my God fundamentally the same as mankind. In case you have not yet caught on, I am not of any orthodox pursuasion where religion is concerned.

this is an undue sense of importance, don't you think?

It depends upon how important you consider whether we have an incredibly wonderful golden age society or a ruinous dungheap of misery and poverty. Perhaps this is something of a trivial matter to you. It isn't to me.

 

[waitasec]

You should also admit a good number of religious people also supported these movements. Thus, religion itself on its own should not be targeted for elimination. And, what is the origin of the strife and what is the context and basis of it all?

the religious left...the progressive and humanistic side of religion

Not to the exclusion of anyone else.

anyone else in your club that is...

You can look at it that way if you like since I consider my God fundamentally the same as mankind. In case you have not yet caught on, I am not of any orthodox pursuasion where religion is concerned.

i noticed that...don't you think you'll be a god too, or am i mistaken?

It depends upon how important you consider whether we have an incredibly wonderful golden age society or a ruinous dungheap of misery and poverty. Perhaps this is something of a trivial matter to you. It isn't to me.

well if you consider acknowledging human rights or equal rights as a step going backwards then you should move to north korea...i think you'll do just fine there...

 

[kylixguru]

the religious left...the progressive and humanistic side of religion

I see a lot of truth on both sides and I see a lot of problems on both sides. I am neither right nor left. In fact, my personal opinion is the left is in much better shape than the right, at least where their ideals are concerned. There are just some finer level details they are overlooking that is going to trip things up.

anyone else in your club that is...

It is true the club I advocate divides roles and responsibilities among its members based upon gender and race distinctions. However, that said, none are excluded from having a place.

However, it is not intended to demean them by so doing. Those who see it as demeaning likely have bad experiences or other reasons to bias them to take that perspective. I'm sure their grievances are real and should be addressed. However, modern society has been taught and bought into the notion that the grievances could be solved by eliminating those distinctions. There are some grievances this will remedy, but what will the overall net consequences be? Might it lead to other grievances that are more difficult to deal with? From my point of view, I don't think people are really looking very hard at this downside yet in order to proclaim: "We did the right thing by giving women the power to vote!".

I believe an objective look at things will show, for example, that the percentage of women who feel satisfied and secure in their lives has gone down considerably from what it was before we took away their distinctive station and virtually made them have to fend for themselves in today's world, other than increased socialized welfare services.

i noticed that...don't you think you'll be a god too, or am i mistaken?

That is a possibility for my future, yes.

well if you consider acknowledging human rights or equal rights as a step going backwards then you should move to north korea...i think you'll do just fine there...

This is what is frustrating about discussing things with people who insist on keeping the subject so contracted. Do I have to agree with every fine grained detail of how you view all of this? And, if I don't, does that mean I am automatically a ruthless and uncompassionate dictator?

These tactics are how a lot of short-sighted "quick-fix" mechanisms have been put into place despite those whose vision could clearly see the long-term effects would create a bigger problem than the one the "quick-fix" was designed to address.

I advocate what I do because I desire to see all people of every gender and race making the most out of their lives and believe the ideas I hold are worth sincere consideration. But, that can only happen in a context of long-range forcasting where many levels of cause and effect are examined. This is, unfortunately, more thinking than most people are willing and/or able to do.

 

[RaimThunder]

God does love the Israelite as a person. But he hates the sin that that Israelite person does. And the person that sins will pay for it at judjement day unless they repente and live a life towards the righteousnass of God.

John 8:32
thecomforter.info

 

[waitasec]

I see a lot of truth on both sides and I see a lot of problems on both sides. I am neither right nor left. In fact, my personal opinion is the left is in much better shape than the right, at least where their ideals are concerned. There are just some finer level details they are overlooking that is going to trip things up.

so what are the finer level details of the left that is going to trip things up for you?
human rights?

It is true the club I advocate divides roles and responsibilities among its members based upon gender and race distinctions.

wow...this is not about earning rank within your club captain. based upon gender and race....?wow not only are you a chauvinist your are racist....
i said,

you actually believe a deity is concerned about you

then you responded with

Not to the exclusion of anyone else.

to which i said

anyone else in your club

However, that said, none are excluded from having a place.

right, you can't get rid of 'em 'cause that would be detrimental to humanity...
i'm sorry but this line of thinking makes me feel ashamed of belonging to the same race as you...

However, it is not intended to demean them by so doing.

why are separating yourself...who's them? you are them
oh yeah, you think you are superior...

Those who see it as demeaning likely have bad experiences or other reasons to bias them to take that perspective.

i would guess because they had to deal with self righteous people as yourself...

I'm sure their grievances are real and should be addressed. However,

however what? are your grievances more important...?

modern society has been taught and bought into the notion that the grievances could be solved by eliminating those distinctions.

what distinctions? superiority vs inferiority?

There are some grievances this will remedy, but what will the overall net consequences be? Might it lead to other grievances that are more difficult to deal with?

what that, you are not that special after all?

From my point of view, I don't think people are really looking very hard at this downside yet in order to proclaim: "We did the right thing by giving women the power to vote!".

sorry but i have rights...i breathe, i bleed and i dream just as you do

I believe an objective look at things will show, for example, that the percentage of women who feel satisfied and secure in their lives has gone down considerably from what it was before we took away their distinctive station and virtually made them have to fend for themselves in today's world, other than increased socialized welfare services.

On the long and winding road to having it all, Helen Parker is making good progress. At 27 she’s forging a career as an executive with a transport company in London, she has a steady boyfriend, and together they are buying a flat. One day the prospect of starting a family will beckon.

By many standards, she’s thriving. So is she happy?

“Um, I’m reasonably happy,” she said. “And I’m optimistic about the future. But there will always be sacrifices.

“There’s plenty more opportunities for women than there used to be — but then again, that means you are always questioning whether the moves you have made are correct, or whether you should have done something else.”

Women less happy after 40 years of feminism - Times Online

what i see here is the playing field has been leveled... don't men feel the same as a provider for their famiily? so i am not sure what you are trying to say here,
keep women barefoot and pregnant in the home and subject her to my will or let her go out and live her life with the same rights i have ...?
must be such a dilemma for you....

That is a possibility for my future, yes.

God complex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is what is frustrating about discussing things with people who insist on keeping the subject so contracted. Do I have to agree with every fine grained detail of how you view all of this? And, if I don't, does that mean I am automatically a ruthless and uncompassionate dictator?

These tactics are how a lot of short-sighted "quick-fix" mechanisms have been put into place despite those whose vision could clearly see the long-term effects would create a bigger problem than the one the "quick-fix" was designed to address.

there you go again with making yourself the center of the universe...
i was insinuating that if human rights is a step back wards for you then you should allow yourself to be subjected to the tryanical dictatorship in n korea.

I advocate what I do because I desire to see all people of every gender and race making the most out of their lives and believe the ideas I hold are worth sincere consideration. But, that can only happen in a context of long-range forcasting where many levels of cause and effect are examined. This is, unfortunately, more thinking than most people are willing and/or able to do.

well anyone from any race or gender are just as capable of doing anything any other race or gender can do...
i'm talking about the capacity of our minds...
we all share all but 1/100th of 1 percent in our genetic code...so we are more a like than what you would like.

it is self righteous people like you who end up putting a stick in the wheel of progress because of your in ability to see beyond yourself...
through your words you have proven yourself to be a self centered and arrogant and quite frankly i would be scared to pump into you knowing you had just come out of a religious meeting... anyone would...but i guess that is the type of respect you expect from anyone who doesn't think like you do...
that you are the center of the universe...
so long...

 

[kylixguru]

so what are the finer level details of the left that is going to trip things up for you?
human rights?

It is apparent to me you are incapable of discussing fine details. You are becomming very boring to dialog with.

wow...this is not about earning rank within your club captain. based upon gender and race....?wow not only are you a chauvinist your are racist....

You are presuming things and then condemning them. Boring and futile.

right, you can't get rid of 'em 'cause that would be detrimental to humanity...
i'm sorry but this line of thinking makes me feel ashamed of belonging to the same race as you...

I would agree with you if what you presume about me were in fact true.

why are separating yourself...who's them? you are them
oh yeah, you think you are superior...

I am not saying I am superior. Superior in terms of what. I'm only superior at the things I am uniquely trained and disciplined in. I fully recognize there are many things I am woefully inferior to others in. You are injecting malicious insinuations because you do not want this dialog to go any deeper than huge generalities.

i would guess because they had to deal with self righteous people as yourself...

Frankly, I think you are pushing the limits on what constitutes acceptable behavior on these forums. Wanting to have a discussion about the pros and cons of various societal structures with roles defined based upon a person's gender and ethnic origin are not self-righteous.

however what? are your grievances more important...?

I don't recall saying my personal grievances were the driving concern.
You are who insist on projecting that level of immaturity on me in this dialog.
It's getting very predictable and very boring.

what distinctions? superiority vs inferiority?

For given roles, of course. We should all want individuals given responsibilities they are best suited to accomplish and to not thrust upon people responsibilities that will take away from the overall quality of life for everyone.

what that, you are not that special after all?

Please, this is really boring. Surely you have something more to offer here than to continue to assault my character with your snide slurs based on presumptions.

I'm talking about, for example, the overall level of sense of security and fulfillment that women enjoy today as compared to a century ago before we thrust them into the world of men as equals. Not forgetting to also take into account that they have much to alleviate their burdens with modern conveniences. Do women of today have a greater sense of security and fulfillment in their lives or don't they? Are you willing to take a careful look at this factor or are you going to keep sticking your head in the sand?

sorry but i have rights...i breathe, i bleed and i dream just as you do

Keep the subject narrow and protracted. Keep blathering out your malignings of my character.
The more you do it the more the weakness and futility of your position shall be manifested.

On the long and winding road to having it all, Helen Parker is making good progress. At 27 she’s forging a career as an executive with a transport company in London, she has a steady boyfriend, and together they are buying a flat. One day the prospect of starting a family will beckon.

By many standards, she’s thriving. So is she happy?

“Um, I’m reasonably happy,” she said. “And I’m optimistic about the future. But there will always be sacrifices.

“There’s plenty more opportunities for women than there used to be — but then again, that means you are always questioning whether the moves you have made are correct, or whether you should have done something else.”

Women less happy after 40 years of feminism - Times Online

what i see here is the playing field has been leveled... don't men feel the same as a provider for their famiily? so i am not sure what you are trying to say here,
keep women barefoot and pregnant in the home and subject her to my will or let her go out and live her life with the same rights i have ...?
must be such a dilemma for you....

Not as much of a dilemma as you presume. I have no qualms with a woman having skills, education, income earning opportunities, etc. As I said, prior to the blanket erasing of gender distinction, there were grievances that did need to be remedied. I would be among the first in line to apply my knowdge and heart to address them and my sole concern would be to only put into effect measures that would not ultimately cause THEM greater grievances.

God complex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thank you for sharing the link. I realize there are many who can suffer from such a malady. Let me be clear about a few things so that perhaps you can reduce your worry factor.

If I ever become a God it shall only be upon the basis of having individuals associated to me as such by their own free will and choice. I have no aspirations of using any means of force, deception, cunning, manipulation, etc. to gain a following. I only wish to be a stand for what I sincerely believe represents the most peaceful and fulfilling way to structure society for the sake of peace, progress and joy. My belief is the truth can stand all on its own and that it simply needs an opportunity to be seen, nothing more. If I have to use lies, force, manipulation, etc. to foster something then it isn't something that can stand on its own. I am not interested in having anything to do with something that requires such difficult maintenance.

there you go again with making yourself the center of the universe...
i was insinuating that if human rights is a step back wards for you then you should allow yourself to be subjected to the tryanical dictatorship in n korea.

The fact of the matter is, if what you promote has worsened the plight of humanity, and you have sought to impose it upon others through means of baseless rhetoric aimed at keeping truths buried then it is you who shall earn for yourself a resurrection in such a society in your afterlife.

well anyone from any race or gender are just as capable of doing anything any other race or gender can do...

Capable, yes. Inclined or generally disposed to? Not so. Our eternal spirit can choose on its own to experience a wide variety of opportunities and privledges, but some moves in some directions require multiple mortalities or lifetimes to make those transitions.

i'm talking about the capacity of our minds...
we all share all but 1/100th of 1 percent in our genetic code...so we are more a like than what you would like.

Apparently you missed where I showed that this slight percentage of difference has massive implications. In the binary number system adding one additional digit to the domain's metadata doubles it. Sure, there is only one little bitsy difference, but the domain of potential doubles!

it is self righteous people like you who end up putting a stick in the wheel of progress because of your in ability to see beyond yourself...

At this point the stick in the wheel is you denying me an opportunity to be heard out.
You are arguing from a position of ignorance and presumption. How is that fostering true progress?

through your words you have proven yourself to be a self centered and arrogant and quite frankly i would be scared to pump into you knowing you had just come out of a religious meeting... anyone would...but i guess that is the type of respect you expect from anyone who doesn't think like you do...
that you are the center of the universe...
so long...

Appears to me you are being what you fear I am.

 

[waitasec]

I'm only superior at the things I am uniquely trained and disciplined in.

such as judging people by their gender and race, nice going captain..

Wanting to have a discussion about the pros and cons of various societal structures with roles defined based upon a person's gender and ethnic origin are not self-righteous.

We should all want individuals given responsibilities they are best suited to accomplish

to suit your needs of course...

I'm talking about, for example, the overall level of sense of security and fulfillment that women enjoy today as compared to a century ago before we thrust them into the world of men as equals.

ah, what's wrong, are you not happy?

If I ever become a God it shall only be upon the basis of having individuals associated to me as such by their own free will and choice. I have no aspirations of using any means of force, deception, cunning, manipulation, etc. to gain a following. I only wish to be a stand for what I sincerely believe represents the most peaceful and fulfilling way to structure society for the sake of peace, progress and joy. My belief is the truth can stand all on its own and that it simply needs an opportunity to be seen, nothing more. If I have to use lies, force, manipulation, etc. to foster something then it isn't something that can stand on its own. I am not interested in having anything to do with something that requires such difficult maintenance.

in other words you think you can do a better job than the god that depends on you for help...:biglaugh:

you're very entertaining i must say....

 

[kylixguru]

such as judging people by their gender and race, nice going captain..

What makes your activity any different?

You are judging them too. Don't you see that?

You are saying society should not pay any attention to those women who would much prefer a social structure that made a single bread winner capable of providing all the needs of a median household so that she can devote herself to the care and nurture of her children.

You are saying society should not pay any attention to those women who would much prefer to not be troubled by the responsibility to keep themselves fully abreast and educated on all the issues going on in the societal body and have to say which way they want things to go. They prefer to focus their devotions on the care and nurture of their children and keeping their own household clean, organized and inviting.

Rather than having responsibilities divided upon very natural boundaries so that not everyone bears all the burdens, you wish to remove a very natural boundry to put burdens across everyone.

Should the legislative branch feel inferior to the executive branch?
Should the legislative branch feel inferior to the judicial branch?

Why shouldn't the executive branch be able to legislate when they feel like it?
Why shouldn't the judicial branch be able to legislate when they feel like it?

Why stigmatize divisions of responsibilities when natural boundries give ability to do so?

to suit your needs of course...

Baseless slur...

ah, what's wrong, are you not happy?

Actually, the truth is, in my personal life I am extremely fulfilled and happy. As are my wife and children. We have a really great time together. I cannot imagine a more fulfilling life than we have enjoyed so far in our many years together.

in other words you think you can do a better job than the god that depends on you for help...:biglaugh:

Huh? It is His Law I promote. Anything good I have to offer or accomplish is because of Him.

you're very entertaining i must say....

You are yet another in the ranks of the amused.

 

[waitasec]

What makes your activity any different?

You are judging them too. Don't you see that?

You are saying society should not pay any attention to those women who would much prefer a social structure that made a single bread winner capable of providing all the needs of a median household so that she can devote herself to the care and nurture of her children.

You are saying society should not pay any attention to those women who would much prefer to not be troubled by the responsibility to keep themselves fully abreast and educated on all the issues going on in the societal body and have to say which way they want things to go. They prefer to focus their devotions on the care and nurture of their children and keeping their own household clean, organized and inviting.

Rather than having responsibilities divided upon very natural boundaries so that not everyone bears all the burdens, you wish to remove a very natural boundry to put burdens across everyone.

Should the legislative branch feel inferior to the executive branch?
Should the legislative branch feel inferior to the judicial branch?

Why shouldn't the executive branch be able to legislate when they feel like it?
Why shouldn't the judicial branch be able to legislate when they feel like it?

Why stigmatize divisions of responsibilities when natural boundries give ability to do so?

Baseless slur...

Actually, the truth is, in my personal life I am extremely fulfilled and happy. As are my wife and children. We have a really great time together. I cannot imagine a more fulfilling life than we have enjoyed so far in our many years together.

Huh? It is His Law I promote. Anything good I have to offer or accomplish is because of Him.

You are yet another in the ranks of the amused.

And the court jester continues to entertain with his lofty ideals set for the self righteous superiority of the white man…

 

[kylixguru]

And the court jester continues to entertain with his lofty ideals set for the self righteous superiority of the white man…

Ideals that can stand on their own that you are deathly afraid of.
When it is all said and done your hopes shall be blasted and your efforts made vain.
But, you won't have anyone to blame but yourself because you wouldn't stay in the conversation.

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

Ideals that can stand on their own that you are deathly afraid of.
When it is all said and done your hopes shall be blasted and your efforts made vain.
But, you won't have anyone to blame but yourself because you wouldn't stay in the conversation.

I am not afraid of those ideals...I understand them utterly.

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

But you do not know about the Greater Good....

 

[kylixguru]

I am not afraid of those ideals...I understand them utterly.

Amused one who lives in a cave claims understanding? Waitasec lasted far longer than you could.
I'll credit you with at least having labelled yourself appropriately and admitting what your hostile agenda is.

 

[kylixguru]

But you do not know about the Greater Good....

You would like to think so. But, as long as you remain in the cave of your own making and of your own admission, you have no basis to know that.

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

Amused one who lives in a cave claims understanding? Waitasec lasted far longer than you could.
I'll credit you with at least having labelled yourself appropriately and admitting what your hostile agenda is.

I understand your agenda perfectly well jbug, have faith.

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

You would like to think so. But, as long as you remain in the cave of your own making and of your own admission, you have no basis to know that.

I know it because I know what you are.