Hi Folks..
Milton; of course you can reject my explanation for consciousness - but please realise - ask the self what it ACTUALLY is - and you will see simply, consciousness is the actual ABILITY to PERCEIVE and EXPERIENCE "reality"...yes..???....
And so from your CURRENT self perspective, it may indeed LOOK like no such consciousness exists down at that quantum level - but I assure you - when / if you do indeed EXPERIENCE the Self as that "energy" itself, then you will indeed know for sure that consciousness exists EVERYWHERE, literally so...Look - this consciousness - it does not exist WITHIN you - but rather you - as individual unique entity - exist WITHIN consciousness itself - and it only SEEMS seperate at all because of your PHYSICAL material body form... what can I say - it IS ALL IMAGINATION Folks - for lack of better modern day terminology..
But look - I dont mean "imaginery" like a child makes up a fantasy - but I mean it is IMAGINED as an actual verb - as a mind that is choosing to take an action that it is fully aware of - because look - literally EVERYTHING flows from the fully abstract realms that exist OUTSIDE of space and time here...everything here - made of ENERGY yes..?...But look - energy DOES NOT EXIST - it is an ABSTRACT notion - nothing tangeable or solid - purely an IMAGINERY force......And look - ALL EXISTANCE EVERYWHERE - absolutely requires a MIND to perceive know and EXPERIENCE that very existance - doesnt it..??...At the foundational level creation is ABSTRACT - purely the realm of a MIND and IMAGINATION...
when we strip back the created layers of this reality - we find all that is left - every single time, every single phenomena - strip it back and see it is ENERGY and it is MIND and nothing else is even real at all..The rest is just a PERSPECTIVE of that mind as it encounters and interacts WITH that energy...Mind and energy are the only legitimate phenomena anywhere in existance, for ALL existance IS actually energy that is now in a "pattern" of one form or another, and the pattern is so realised - defined and known, experienced BY a Mind - ALWAYS by a mind -remove the mind and all PERCEPTION and all EXPERIENCE must stop and so reality itself ceases to exist
Thus the world may seem to be out there and seperate, and yet it is all the SAME energy - same MIND - one inseperable from the other..Here, we discuss all this in much greater depth...
http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/a-challenge-to-all-creationists.192730/
Rick; UGH - religious beliefs..??...lol.... I may speak of Christ as my mate - but trust me - there is no need for any religious malarky in all this - shun and avoid all that He advised most strongly - His is a universal metaphysical truth - not a doctrine to be used for control and domination as a religion does
So Im asked repeatedly for proof...Thats a good sign - shows me that you at least are honestly considering, but may need further help yet to understand...Open minds are always a good thing to possess in such endeavours - but I will tell you here that the ONLY way to really grasp what Im saying is indeed to experience it DIRECTLY - and yes indeed such a thing - the approach to it - is indeed possible and can be attained by anyone at all...As He instructed directly through Thomas and to those with the ears to hear :
"If they say to you, 'Where have you come from?' say to them, 'We have come from the light, from the place where the light came into being by itself, established [itself], and appeared in their image.'
If they say to you, 'Is it you?' say, 'We are its children, and we are the chosen of the living Father.'
If they ask you, 'What is the evidence of your Father in you?' say to them, 'It is motion and rest.'"
That is the ONLY way to give you the proof you seek...You MUST undergo this process for the Self - Gnosis is the only thing that will satisfy....This is NOT a RELIGIOUS truth Folks - this is a universal METAPHYSICAL truth of Who and What you ACTUALLY are and how to EXPERIENCE that directly for the Self...
WHERE have you come from (your source)..??..This is what you ask ME now yes..??...Like Iam His disciple, being questioned by these others and Im telling you I understand Him FROM the direct experiences OF the things HE said - and so too you will NEED that experience also to attain that wisdom of Self, for the Self.. And I personally trust Him fully my Self simply because actually - I kind of stumbled upon all this - found it all by myself and experienced it FIRST messing with CONSCIOUS MIND, drugs and what not - Self exploration - I unlocked a gateway within just as He says - and only much later was I led to this "scripture" that fully supports the unfolding LEGITIMATE real world experiences...Therefore I KNOW He IS truth as I lived it first directly...
Your Source - where have we come from..?...He says we come frorm a Light that called its own Self into existance - established itself and created IMAGES to represent its Self understanding...Look Folks - modern English - it is a MIND that is literally IMAGINING that which it is.. Here -we are its "children" - SAME MIND but now a unique individual form...heres the crucial bit - the EVIDENCE for this - the way to discover this truth for the Self - He says is MOTION and REST
Look - its all about Mind...THIS mind here reading writing posts -constantly changing - turmoil of "thought" at the surface mind - must indeed be taken down into a tranquil peaceful restful state...Motion must come to rest just as he says....So deep i fact - that actually - you do indeed find a void, empty and silent place within - it is like you have "stopped existing" - except you are aware that you do still exist...lol...Into THIS state of mind, does indeed come a LIGHT and a new understanding of self AS that Light - hard to put it into words - so indeed I will just say as He says it - we BECOME it - a NEW PRESENCE OF MIND - are "born again" - a new Self identity....This is the HOLY GHOST Folks - but again - this is NOT a "religious" phenomena - this is a METAPHYSICAL truth of Self...
Would you understand perhaps if I said here this Holy Ghost is ALSO the same phenomena as KUNDALINI - various religions have glimpsed the same legitimate truth and described it in their various ways
Continue to encounter this inner Presence - do it a lot and allow it to become firm solid and moment to moment - and then He promises and I agree, all "mystery" will become revealed...This Light within , this new mind Present, is the SAME Light and Mind that CAUSED it all at the beginning - it is the gateway through which the Soul travels, crosses spiritual realms and experiences their reality DIRECTLY....But look the only way to appreciate this, is as He says directly experience it for the Self..Motion and rest -attempt it - seek it out - come to know they Self is his primary advise and teaching, and thus you will have and know this truth directly - gnosis
