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is Muhammad a good model for Muslims to imitate?

Spiderman

Veteran Member
so I think it's great that we have a handful or more of Muslims at this website.

so if Muhammad is the greatest prophet would that probably also mean that his behavior and the life he lived was better than all the prophets before him?

like would that make him more holy than the rest?

when you look at the lifestyle Muhammad live to do you see his behaviors to be edifying or do you find some of his behavior to be a bit shameful?

do you have moral objections to some of the things that he did? if so, is it a common consensus that Muslims have those the same objections or does the average muslimah try to justify or minimize those behaviors?
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Islam definitely does not teach that Mohammed was the greatest prophet, in fact Issa or Jesus as we call him is the prophet most praised and talked about in the Holy Koran, Mohammeds claim to fame is that he was the most recent prophet, at least to Muslims, and the last prophet, unless his message fails and a new one has to come. So Muslims would not say that Mohammed was greater than Abraham, or Moses, or Daniel, or David, in fact each prophet has their own distinct and unique contribution to make. No one looks at Mohammed as perfect or sinless, the way Christians look at Jesus, the main difference is that Muslims see Jesus as a prophet also, not God.
 

Salek Atesh

Active Member
so if Muhammad is the greatest prophet would that probably also mean that his behavior and the life he lived was better than all the prophets before him?

like would that make him more holy than the rest?

Absolutely not. "Greatest Prophet" is not a thing.

Quran 2.136 "We believe in God and in that which had been revealed to us, and in that which was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and in that which was given to Moses and Jesus, and in that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit."

Also there is a Hadith in existence of Mohammed (PBUH) saying he is no better than Jonah. And another saying he does not exalt himself over anyone, as God doesn't like people who do that.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
so I think it's great that we have a handful or more of Muslims at this website.

so if Muhammad is the greatest prophet would that probably also mean that his behavior and the life he lived was better than all the prophets before him?

like would that make him more holy than the rest?

when you look at the lifestyle Muhammad live to do you see his behaviors to be edifying or do you find some of his behavior to be a bit shameful?

do you have moral objections to some of the things that he did? if so, is it a common consensus that Muslims have those the same objections or does the average muslimah try to justify or minimize those behaviors?
Whenever you see an English-Language Quran claim Mohammed is the "greatest" prophet, it is something of a translation error. The Arabic term should be translated as "Newest/Most Recent" but it can be translated as "Greatest", which is not a reference to Mohammed's prestige but in the sense he is "greater" in your reach than Jesus/Issa/Essu/Yushua/Joshua or the earlier prophets.

(I know I'm not an Abrahamic faith member, I apologize for posting here, just wishing to explain why it sometimes shows up as "greatest")
 

Salek Atesh

Active Member
Whenever you see an English-Language Quran claim Mohammed is the "greatest" prophet, it is something of a translation error. The Arabic term should be translated as "Newest/Most Recent" but it can be translated as "Greatest", which is not a reference to Mohammed's prestige but in the sense he is "greater" in your reach than Jesus/Issa/Essu/Yushua/Joshua or the earlier prophets.

(I know I'm not an Abrahamic faith member, I apologize for posting here, just wishing to explain why it sometimes shows up as "greatest")

Oh!! I've always wondered how that notion got started, thanks for the info.
 

Servant_of_the_One1

Well-Known Member
Once a companion had debate with jew in Madina. Debate heated up. Until The jew said: Moses is better!
The companion said: Muhammad is better!
This story reached the prophet peace be upon him. He told the companion not to say such thing, because he and moses are brothers in the same religion.
And we dont make distinction between the prophets however there 5 prophets of strong will and patience:Noah, Abraham, Moses,Jesus and Muhammad( peace be upon them all).
 

arthra

Baha'i
I think the life of Prophet Muhammad is a good example to follow.. He was regarded as an honest and fair man in His time.. People forget that He was basically rejected in the early years of His mission by His family... only His cousin Ali and wife Khadijih stood by Him... His early followers had to flee to Ethiopia for refuge.. After His tribe was boycotted and an serious attempt was made to assassinate Him .. He fled to Medina. He organised the people of Medina to defend their city and form an alliance...
 

Pastek

Sunni muslim
Maybe some muslims think that prophet Muhammad is the greatest but that's not the opinion of all muslims. Never Muhammad said so nor God.
He is a good model as all the other prophets.

when you look at the lifestyle Muhammad live to do you see his behaviors to be edifying or do you find some of his behavior to be a bit shameful?

do you have moral objections to some of the things that he did? if so, is it a common consensus that Muslims have those the same objections or does the average muslimah try to justify or minimize those behaviors?

Maybe you should be more precise if you have something in mind.

Islam definitely does not teach that Mohammed was the greatest prophet, in fact Issa or Jesus as we call him is the prophet most praised and talked about in the Holy Koran

Actually Abraham and Moses are much more in the Quran than Jesus.
I would say maybe in half of the sourates you can find them.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Thank you for the correction, my mistake, having read the holy Koran only once, I thought I remembered almost a third of the holy Koran being devoted to Issa and Mary, is that way off??
 

Pastek

Sunni muslim
I thought I remembered almost a third of the holy Koran being devoted to Issa and Mary, is that way off??

Moses and Abraham are much more in the Quran but that doesn't mean Jesus is less important. The fact that he is called a Word and Spirit of God is enought to demonstrate he is as important than the other even if he is less in the Quran.

This have much to do with the lessons that God want us to learn.
 

Sakeenah

Well-Known Member
so I think it's great that we have a handful or more of Muslims at this website.

so if Muhammad is the greatest prophet would that probably also mean that his behavior and the life he lived was better than all the prophets before him?

like would that make him more holy than the rest?

when you look at the lifestyle Muhammad live to do you see his behaviors to be edifying or do you find some of his behavior to be a bit shameful?

do you have moral objections to some of the things that he did? if so, is it a common consensus that Muslims have those the same objections or does the average muslimah try to justify or minimize those behaviors?

All the prophets came with the same message and were all chosen by god.
Prophet Muhammed was the last messenger send to humankind as an example and guide and because if this as Muslims we see him peace be upon him as an example and try to follow his sunnah (way of life). For example we pray as he prayed, same goes for fasting, pilgrimage and many other aspects in our life.
He was know to be a good and loving husband and father a trustworthy friend and a just and courage leader.he used to feed the poor and give a lot in charity.. Even among those who hated him he was known as Muhammed the trustworthy. So imitating him for me is the opposite of shame..its an honour.
 

Blackmarch

W'rkncacntr
so I think it's great that we have a handful or more of Muslims at this website.

so if Muhammad is the greatest prophet would that probably also mean that his behavior and the life he lived was better than all the prophets before him?

like would that make him more holy than the rest?

when you look at the lifestyle Muhammad live to do you see his behaviors to be edifying or do you find some of his behavior to be a bit shameful?

do you have moral objections to some of the things that he did? if so, is it a common consensus that Muslims have those the same objections or does the average muslimah try to justify or minimize those behaviors?
IMO the quran has gone through more of a wringer than the bible has before it was commited to pen. However I do believe he was given his vision and etc from God. which means he must've been doing something good enough.
As with the bible you have the religious text, and then there are many additional sayings or writings that surround it many which aren't true or only half true... the same goes for the Quran and Mohammed.
In general I think he would've been a good example to emulate.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Actually the holy Koran was written down very soon after or during the Prophet's life, not so with most of the Old Testament and almost all of the New Testament, which were written down some hundreds of years later.
 

Blackmarch

W'rkncacntr
Whenever you see an English-Language Quran claim Mohammed is the "greatest" prophet, it is something of a translation error. The Arabic term should be translated as "Newest/Most Recent" but it can be translated as "Greatest", which is not a reference to Mohammed's prestige but in the sense he is "greater" in your reach than Jesus/Issa/Essu/Yushua/Joshua or the earlier prophets.

(I know I'm not an Abrahamic faith member, I apologize for posting here, just wishing to explain why it sometimes shows up as "greatest")
I find this interesting. thank you for sharing.... actually this does reinforce his claim, rather than take away from it.
 

NB Ibrahim

New Member
I'm not sure which Qur'an or which Muhammad you guys are talking about. But if You are talking about Islam's Quran and prophet then he is not only the greatest among the prophets but everything you know including the prophets were created for his sake and his sake alone. He is the greatest man that ever lived actually Jesus (AS) said that John the Baptist is the greatest of all born of women for he was sent to herald/announce his coming but that he (Jesus) is greater for he came to announce the coming of the one after him (the comforter). So according to Jesus (AS) in the Bible not the Quran his most important task that which made him greater than the greatest at the time was announcing the coming of the next prophet. Who that prophet is that is a whole new debate but just ask if you want my points.


Muhammad (AS) was the only human being to be really given an option to live forever, he is the only creation that saw Allah (SWT) with his actually eyes. He not only walked Raf Rafu (the palace of Allah) he did that with his shoes on. That is how great he is. And yet he is the most humble of men, he is so humble all his companions are ready to die a thousand times over for him but he let himself suffer with them.


To answer the first question about imitating the sunnah I'm a muslim but let me use the voices of great non Muslims of all faiths and race


“I hope the time is not far off when I shall be able to unite all the wise and educated men of all the countries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of Qur'an which alone are true and which alone can lead men to happiness.” Napoleon Bonaparte (a great man huh)


..I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and his own mission. These, and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every trouble. M.K Ghandi


"Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?" Lamartine ( a great historian)


"He was Caesar and Pope in one; but he was Pope without Pope's pretensions, Caesar without the legions of Caesar: without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue; if ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by the right divine, it was Mohammed, for he had all the power without its instruments and without its supports." ( Rev. Borstwith) a Reverend !!!!


"It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher." Annie Besant (Author)


"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level." Michael Hart ( an honest man and a great historian too)


“It was the first religion that preached and practiced democracy; for, in the mosque, when the call for prayer is sounded and worshippers are gathered together, the democracy of Islam is embodied (S. Naidu a poet )


“…The lies (Western slander) which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man (Muhammed) are disgraceful to ourselves only…How one man single-handedly, could weld warring tribes and wandering Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades….A silent great soul, one of that who cannot but be earnest. He was to kindle the world; the world’s Maker had ordered so." T. Carlyle ( a great Brit may be the best of them ever for he was honest).


The last one and the best actually :


G.B Shaw

I believe if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring much needed peace and happiness.

I have studied him - the man and in my opinion is far from being an anti–Christ. He must be called the Savior of Humanity.

I have prophesied about the faith of Mohammad that it would be acceptable the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.”




Comparing the prophet (SAW) with anyone is actually a sin.


Lydon I'm sorry but you seem to enthusiastic about Islam that is good but you know very little about Islam, but don't worry keep learning.


And to the Muslims in this particular thread; are you nuts.
 
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