is our understanding of freedom of speech changing?

[Jainarayan]

At will employment is not so simple. As an employer, I know that if I fire someone, & give no reason, I'm somewhat protected.
But if I give a reason which appears wrongful, I could suffer in court. Tis best to keep one's eyes open, & one's mouth shut.
To fire a deputy for liking the sheriff's opponent looks odious to me.

Yes, you do have to tread lightly in dismissing someone. There cannot be a hint of discrimination. I had to jump through hoops to fire a woman who did nothing but challenge me as her manager. She was completely insubordinate. I had to devise one aptitude test for my entire staff. It was an extremely simple test that everyone passed except her. That, her excessive absences and her insubordination were my grounds for her dismissal. And even then it had to be adjudicated by my v.p.

But consider that the deputy sheriff is a public servant under one administration who is openly endorsing an opponent of the administration he represents. Even if he has legal recourse, it's highly unprofessional and unethical.

 

[waitasec]

Yes, you do have to tread lightly in dismissing someone. There cannot be a hint of discrimination. I had to jump through hoops to fire a woman who did nothing but challenge me as her manager. She was completely insubordinate. I had to devise one aptitude test for my entire staff. It was an extremely simple test that everyone passed except her. That, her excessive absences and her insubordination were my grounds for her dismissal. And even then it had to be adjudicated by my v.p.

But consider that the deputy sheriff is a public servant under one administration who is openly endorsing an opponent of the administration he represents. Even if he has legal recourse, it's highly unprofessional and unethical.

why?? because he is a public servant...
i don't think i agree with that. i think public servants who contribute to the put up and shut up mentality our society seems to veer towards...adds to the problem

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Someone's on a power trip. Makes me glad I don't have a Facebook anymore and that eventually I'll have the means and options to leave this country for one that isn't inching closer and closer towards a dictatorship.

 

[waitasec]

Someone's on a power trip. Makes me glad I don't have a Facebook anymore and that eventually I'll have the means and options to leave this country for one that isn't inching closer and closer towards a dictatorship.

i once heard somewhere one needed a facebook page in order to be considered for a position...

 

[Jainarayan]

why?? because he is a public servant... i don't think i agree with that.

Public servants have a duty and image to uphold.

More than that I detect a "it's all about me and I can do whatever the hell I want" mentality nowadays. Sorry, there are rules in life.

i think public servants who contribute to the put up and shut up mentality our society seems to veer towards...adds to the problem

That made about as much sense as "What's the difference between a duck? A telephone pole because motorcycles don't have doors".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

i once heard somewhere one needed a facebook page in order to be considered for a position...

I've not heard that one yet. I have heard many companies will demand a potential employee log onto their facebook during an interview so the interviewer can check them out, and demand the person like the company on their facebook so the company can keep track of what they do and say. As the saying goes "Holy 1984 Batman!"

 

[waitasec]

Public servants have a duty and image to uphold.

which is what exactly...?

More than that I detect a "it's all about me and I can do whatever the hell I want" mentality nowadays. Sorry, there are rules in life.

you mean expressing ones opinion is something that needs to be shut down?
perhaps the challenge should be focused on as to why one holds onto their opinion, that would be something worthwhile.

That made about as much sense as "What's the difference between a duck? A telephone pole because motorcycles don't have doors".

ha ha...
i'll put it like this,
i think public servants who put up and shut up help perpetuate the problem of complacency.

 

[Willamena]

Public servants have a duty and image to uphold.

If you're in politics, sure, but very few public servants are. They either wear their public hat or their public service hat, and while they may take the latter off, the former is always there.

The idea that they have to kiss *** even off the job is ridiculous. They are entitled to an opinion, just like everyone else.

 

[Jainarayan]

which is what exactly...?

You're serious, aren't you!?

you mean expressing ones opinion is something that needs to be shut down?

No, expressing one's opinion is not something to be shut down, but I'll say it again, there are rules in life. it's not all about "Me".

perhaps the challenge should be focused on as to why one holds onto their opinion, that would be something worthwhile.

If the deputy sheriff is so displeased with his current employer, resign the position. Then endorse whomever you want, and curse your former employer until 12/21/12. If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.

When you wear the uniform of, or represent an organization, you don't publically gainsay it or publically praise or endorse the competition. There are people who need to learn a lot about getting through life.

 

[Jainarayan]

The idea that they have to kiss *** even off the job is ridiculous. They are entitled to an opinion, just like everyone else.

Some people are never off the job, especially LEOs. You sign on for 24/7 duty. If you can't take the heat... you know the rest about the kitchen.

 

[Willamena]

If the deputy sheriff is so displeased with his current employer, resign the position. Then endorse whomever you want, and curse your former employer until 12/21/12. If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.

There's no indication that he was displeased with his current employer. People do vote for whomever they like, and they have every right to.

When you wear the uniform of, or represent an organization, you don't publically gainsay it or publically praise or endorse the competition. There are people who need to learn a lot about getting through life.

While loyalty is to be commended, it is not commendable when it is forced. There's a word for that...

 

[Jainarayan]

There's no indication that he was displeased with his current employer. People do vote for whomever they like, and they have every right to.


While loyalty is to be commended, it is not commendable when it is forced. There's a word for that...

You're just not getting it.

I'm done.

 

[waitasec]

You're serious, aren't you!?

yes i am, so what is it...?
are you implying pubic servants are to be in one accord
that is inconsistent with the ideals of freedom of speech and expression...no where does the constitution imply pubic servants are to shut up and not speak their minds...what do you suppose was the purpose for the american revolution? to comply with the status quo? :no:

No, expressing one's opinion is not something to be shut down, but I'll say it again, there are rules in life. it's not all about "Me".

what does that mean?
i may be speaking from my perspective...but i hardy think i am the only one that shares my opinion...this isn't about "me", this is about being free to speak ones mind with out being persecuted for doing so. why is that too much to ask?

When you wear the uniform of, or represent an organization, you don't publically gainsay it or publically praise or endorse the competition. There are people who need to learn a lot about getting through life.

public servants represent whom..?
the leaders or the public.

in fact being a pubic servant should be encouraged to speak their mind...

that is if the idea of free speech and expression is meaningful in the constitution of the state, otherwise one should move to north korea and see how the public servants of that country are kept in line...

 

[Jainarayan]

...otherwise one should move to north korea and see how the public servants of that country are kept in line...

Well that shoots down all my arguments. Thanks for showing me the errors in my thinking.

 

[waitasec]

Well that shoots down all my arguments. Thanks for showing me the errors in my thinking.

but i am only going on what i think you are implying when you said:

Public servants have a duty and image to uphold.

if that isn't what you meant, then perhaps i miss understood.

 

[Leftimies]

Free speech is not changing. It is under attack. I blame the feminists.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Regardless of laws, regulations, or ideals, I've always erred on the side odd caution and don't give anyone a reason to discriminate against me based on my opinions. I expect people will react emotionally based on what they know about you, so I give no access to opinions and information I see as irrelevant to them.

 

[Curious George]

Free speech is not changing. It is under attack. I blame the feminists.

That's fine but the real culprits are the ones who blame feminism.

 

[Leftimies]

That's fine but the real culprits are the ones who blame feminism.

Enlighten me in regards to the particulars of that statement.

 

[Curious George]

Enlighten me in regards to the particulars of that statement.

I figured they were just as arbitrary as "feminists." Save feminists don't seem to erode freedom of speech, while those complaining about what feminists have to say seem more likely candidates.