Is premarital sex really a sin?

[Mycroft]

I don't think an intelligent designer hangs a pecker on a guy and says 'Don't use it 'til you get married.' I think an intelligent designer would just design it to pop out after you were married.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by Muffled View Post
I believe a sin is still a sin whether the person is aware that it is or not. If a person believes he can jump off a tall building and live, he will die just as fast as a person who knows better.

The problem here is that sin is not like gravity.

Gravity applies to everyone the exact same way.

Sin is subjective based not only on your acceptance of something being a sin, but also on what your favoured deity wishes/wills.

Hi Mestemia, It is that same principle that Sin applies to all.

The principle of the "golden rule" applies to all and is the basis for our secular laws. The "love your neighbor as yourself" embodies those "golden Rules"---and is the last six of the Decalogue(Ten Commandments).

One of which concerns the sexual aspect of human beings and their relationship to one another.

One may not pay any attention to Gravity---other than acknowledge that it is actual/factual.
One may discount the Creator GOD for a belief in "scientific suppositions"/etc.; however, Scripturally, there is a Being who gave those laws and when they are acknowledged---one will obey.
When one determines to believe in a spontaneous appearance of a "microbe" which is the ancestor of all living organisms which are present instead of being Created by a Being with a purpose in/for the designed creation, then they are free to do so ,but that does not negate the 'laws" of that Creator.

Therefore, one is not excused for one's own erroneous choosing.

If there is NO Creator GOD, then there is no law and no SIN, but the Scriptures say differently.

 

[sincerly]

I don't think an intelligent designer hangs a pecker on a guy and says 'Don't use it 'til you get married.' I think an intelligent designer would just design it to pop out after you were married.

QM, the "design" was with two functions---and the second function was primarily for reproduction. Pleasure was an added feature. In the last 60 years, the "scientific advancement" has focused on enhancing the "pleasure" and diminishing the "reproduction".

"Commitment" isn't a desired feature(societally) in marriage anymore---"pleasure" comes first.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I believe that yes it is a sin. I don't want abortions to happen, children live their childhood without knowing their fathers or sometimes their mothers, having orphanages or streets filled up with children that could get bad treatment, see children get abused because they don't have parents intact to take care of them... and list goes on.

I don't have a problem with filling one's desire, but to allow that to even give the smallest possibility to hurt other specially if they were little children

It is all about the welfare of the off-spring, in my humble opinion.

I don't mean to go against anyone's views, I only state mine.

 

[sincerly]

I believe that yes it is a sin. I don't want abortions to happen, children live their childhood without knowing their fathers or sometimes their mothers, having orphanages or streets filled up with children that could get bad treatment, see children get abused because they don't have parents intact to take care of them... and list goes on.

I don't have a problem with filling one's desire, but to allow that to even give the smallest possibility to hurt other specially if they were little children

It is all about the welfare of the off-spring, in my humble opinion.

I don't mean to go against anyone's views, I only state mine.

Hi S_G, It is "tolerance" for the unacceptable that leads to those things which cause the "little children" to be hurt and to be themselves taught erroneous ideas to perpetuate the hurting situation.
Debate while there is still time to do so. That is included in your freedom of choice.

The filling of one's desire has a legitimate course of action---and "off-spring" are protected.

 

[McNap]

That's absurd.
Jesus did not accept anything regarding becoming one flesh other than what was at the beginning, marriage.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, if people on this forum in the past have tried to justify same sex copulation (not you specifically) that they would also try to justify sex before marriage.

But marriage is honorable among all...
You think people that do same seks copulation have no honor for marriage?

 

[sincerly]

But marriage is honorable among all...
You think people that do same seks copulation have no honor for marriage?

Hi McNap, The scripture you partially quoted is Heb.13:4, "Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge."

Marriage will not sanctify or "make honorable" the second part of that verse.

 

[McNap]

Hi McNap, The scripture you partially quoted is Heb.13:4, "Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge."

Marriage will not sanctify or "make honorable" the second part of that verse.

Of course it will. It's the very thing people honor marriage for.
But if you fall back into prostitution or other forms of adultary, you are a breaker of marriage.
I would say it depends on the order how it goes, but we all started young and by doing wicked things. Whether marriage makes you stop or go on doing evil.

By the way, you didn't answer my question.

I said:

You think people that do same seks copulation have no honor for marriage?

 

[Smart_Guy]

Hi S_G, It is "tolerance" for the unacceptable that leads to those things which cause the "little children" to be hurt and to be themselves taught erroneous ideas to perpetuate the hurting situation.
Debate while there is still time to do so. That is included in your freedom of choice.

The filling of one's desire has a legitimate course of action---and "off-spring" are protected.

Hello Sincerly.

No debate here. What I see of the examples I gave before happen as a fact in this life really breaks my heart and I think premarital sex is the main and first step causing it

 

[McBell]

Hi Mestemia, It is that same principle that Sin applies to all.

I have to disagree.
It just doesn't add up.

With sin being nothing more than going against the will/wishes of your chosen deity and there being literally thousands of proposed deities, sin is about as subjective as it gets.

The principle of the "golden rule" applies to all and is the basis for our secular laws. The "love your neighbor as yourself" embodies those "golden Rules"---and is the last six of the Decalogue(Ten Commandments).

Except that "the golden rule" is not the basis for our laws...

One of which concerns the sexual aspect of human beings and their relationship to one another.

One may not pay any attention to Gravity---other than acknowledge that it is actual/factual.
One may discount the Creator GOD for a belief in "scientific suppositions"/etc.; however, Scripturally, there is a Being who gave those laws and when they are acknowledged---one will obey.

Herein lies the problem.
I have not ever been given a good enough reason to take anyones "Scripture" seriously.

When one determines to believe in a spontaneous appearance of a "microbe" which is the ancestor of all living organisms which are present instead of being Created by a Being with a purpose in/for the designed creation, then they are free to do so ,but that does not negate the 'laws" of that Creator.

Your strawman aside and given there is not even one shred of empirical objective evidence that even implies your alleged "creator" exists outside your imagination, why is it that your alleged creator does absolutely nothing to enforce these arbitrary rules you claim it has set forth?

Therefore, one is not excused for one's own erroneous choosing.

Except that you have done absolutely nothing but preach your beliefs offering nothing in support of them outside your faith they are correct.

If there is NO Creator GOD, then there is no law and no SIN, but the Scriptures say differently.

Again, until such time as you can show that your "Scriptures" should be taken seriously...

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Hi S_G, It is "tolerance" for the unacceptable that leads to those things which cause the "little children" to be hurt and to be themselves taught erroneous ideas to perpetuate the hurting situation.
Debate while there is still time to do so. That is included in your freedom of choice.

The filling of one's desire has a legitimate course of action---and "off-spring" are protected.

Hello Sincerly.

No debate here. What I see of the examples I gave before happen as a fact in this life really breaks my heart and I think premarital sex is the main and first step causing it

The Scriptures lay the fault/cause for all disobedience in a disregards for that last Commandment.---LUST. Notice James 1:14-15, "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."
The Lustful desire precedes all sin. Agreed, The sexual urge is strong and has to be overcome---as long as it is entertained--it will do the over-coming.

 

[Muffled]

The problem here is that sin is not like gravity.

Gravity applies to everyone the exact same way.

Sin is subjective based not only on your acceptance of something being a sin, but also on what your favoured deity wishes/wills.

I beleive sin is like gravity in that one can't break its law without suffering.

I believe sin applies to everyone the same way.

Really, so if a person commits murder it is only seen as murder by the person committing it? Is the person murdered any less dead if a society approves of murder?

I believe there is only one God.

 

[Muffled]

I don't think an intelligent designer hangs a pecker on a guy and says 'Don't use it 'til you get married.' I think an intelligent designer would just design it to pop out after you were married.

I believe an intelligent designer intends for intelligent beings to use intelligence before using his pecker for anything other than peeing.

 

[Muffled]

But marriage is honorable among all...
You think people that do same seks copulation have no honor for marriage?

I don't believe same gender couples can be married in anything but name only.

I believe same gender couples may honor the relationship but there is no honor in having the relationship.

I believe God sees this differently.

 

[McBell]

I beleive sin is like gravity in that one can't break its law without suffering.

That is fine.
You are free to believe whatever you like.

I believe sin applies to everyone the same way.

Again, you are free to believe whatever you like.

I just happen to disagree with you if you are claiming that what you do and do not consider "sin" also applies to me.

Your chosen deity has no power over me, therefore I am not being held by its whims, will, desire, wants, and or needs.

Really, so if a person commits murder it is only seen as murder by the person committing it? Is the person murdered any less dead if a society approves of murder?

What are you going on about?

Murder is illegal.
It just happens to ALSO be against your chosen deities wishes.

Really bad example.

How about next time you try using something that your deity forbids but is not illegal?

Or do you already see how that is problematic for your "argument"?

I believe there is only one God.

So?

The fact of the matter is that there are thousands of supposed gods which wish for thousands upon thousands of things.

Your narrowing the field by choosing one and ignoring the rest does not in any way dismiss or even diminish my point.

 

[McNap]

I don't believe same gender couples can be married in anything but name only.

I believe same gender couples may honor the relationship but there is no honor in having the relationship.

I believe God sees this differently.

Whether there is honor or nor not in having a same gender relationship. The point is, within a marriage your bed is undefiled no matter how much seks you have.
If you do seks outside a marriage your sheets are going to be defiled, which of course also happens literally within a marriage. The only difference is that no one has to feel guilty for literally defiling the sheets within a marriage, since figuratively the sheets are undefiled because of everybody's honor for marriage.

But I don't see why you said there is no honor in having the relationship for same gender couples?

 

[oldbadger]

Is premarital sex really a sin? The Bible condemns sexual immorality but not premarital sex. I personally do not believe that premarital sex is a sin. What do you believe?

Hi Doodlebug........ (My Granny used to 'go on' about the doodlebugs.! )

I think that pre-marital sex is most important for a couple, so that sexual compatibility is certain, before marriage.

Too many married couples discover that they are not suited, which leads to affairs, break-ups, divorces etc. Not good.

 

[Sunstone]

I don't believe same gender couples can be married in anything but name only.

Fortunately, you yourself don't get to determine that, for the people who determine the truth or falsity of your statement are same gender people themselves. Not outsiders to their marriages.

 

[oldbadger]

I don't believe same gender couples can be married in anything but name only.

Where did Jesus specifically say that?
Please please don't quote Paul.... he was so messed up, sexually... ?

I believe same gender couples may honor the relationship but there is no honor in having the relationship.

Who said so?

I believe God sees this differently.

How do you think God sees it?

Are you married?

 

[sincerly]

Hi Doodlebug........ (My Granny used to 'go on' about the doodlebugs.! )

I think that pre-marital sex is most important for a couple, so that sexual compatibility is certain, before marriage.

Too many married couples discover that they are not suited, which leads to affairs, break-ups, divorces etc. Not good.

Hi OB, The "incompatibility" isn't with the sex organs, but the organ which is behind the eyes and between the ears.---Called the Brain. It is supposed to the controller of the body---Not the sex organ.
Consider---the vagina will accommodate a 10 cm diameter infant head and I know of no male organ of that size. Again, it is "lust" which originates in the Brain which is the cause of those things you mentioned.