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Is Putin Trying to Elect Trump?

esmith

Veteran Member
All of this is an awful lot of what-ifs & speculation treated as fact.
Is anyone surprised that Slate & WaPo are pushing the Russian
conspiracy distraction without any real evidence? This as reliable
as if Fox News started claiming conspiracy theories against Trump.
The message isn't even significant, since what's been divulged
was commonly thought anyway.

What concerns me is the possibility that Hillary's feud with the
Russians could exacerbate the cold war. Remember that it
almost became a real war when a Soviet sensor malfunction
nearly triggered a counter-attack to an error. We need cooler
heads in office.

I agree that cool heads are needed when it comes to the possible use of the military. Now getting off the subject of this post considerably, but felt that it needed be brought up is as follows:
We have two people that have a chance to become the President. Of these two we only have an insight into how one actually handles events outside of the US.
In Hillary we have only one example and that is the Libya debacle. Even Obama admitted we screwed the pooch on this one. With the glaring example of the debacle of Iraq when a setting leader/government is deposed we removed the government of Libya obviously with less follow through than Iraq. Now we know that Hillary's fingerprints are all over this catastrophe and is a fairly high indicator of her thought process. Now In Trump there is not any example of what he would or would not do, only words that were most likely used as "political" talk to help win a nomination.

Now I'm not saying that Putin is any example of a non-aggressive leader, but he is a highly motivated individual when it comes to what he thinks is best for Russia. Now we will probably never know if Putin's fingerprints are on the hacking of the DNC but one has to ponder if Putin sees Hillary as a greater threat to Russia and what he wants for Russia than Trump. One also has to wonder if Russia hacked the DNC how about the Hillary's server (just speculating)?
 

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
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tytlyf

Not Religious
Imagine if Putin endorsed Obama? Republican establishment media wouldn't let people hear the end of it.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
BTW, just a reminder about the "brave" talk from the Pub chicken-hawks in Congress and elsewhere. They criticize Obama by saying that this administration about not going after ISIS, and yet both Boehner and Ryan refuse to have an up or down vote on declaring war on ISIS, nor do they enunciate any particular action that should be taken, including how many American troops on the ground they would want. But the gullible groupies still eat it all up anyway.
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
Agree with posts #34 and #40.

The news outlets pushing the Russian conspiracy are left leaning and thus are to be taken with a grain of salt as far as I'm concerned. This silly notion (by WaPo) that no one is reporting it is seriously humorous. I see that as reverse psychology, since every left leaning news outlet is reporting it as if it is a sure thing right now. And pushing it as 'far bigger story than whatever corruption DOES exist in DNC.'

If some bad story (aka hit piece) gets released right now about Trump (i.e. he is a rapist) and people question the timing on the story, those making the allegation, it is ALL ABOUT don't shoot the messenger for the contents of the message. With Dem items that is rarely, if ever, the case. It is ALWAYS about shooting the messenger, discrediting them, and pointing to a (vast) conspiracy against Dems.

So, Dem supporters want to try and have it both ways. I fully expect them to continue, and I fully am in mode of not caring anymore about their pathetic strategizing over this.

I think most in the U.S. know that the U.S. has (covertly) influenced other nation's elections. Now, we know (at least some of us) that the U.S. has influenced its own elections, and is blatantly doing so in this one. As that finger points at U.S. personnel, they point to Russia as deflection. Even if it were Russia, so what???? Really, so what???? Whatever is worst case scenario around Russia 'influencing U.S. elections' would not match what U.S. has historically done, and is arguably doing right now.

As Bernie supporters don't take their rigged losing lightly, nor should they, I imagine those seeing Clinton stock falling are going to go away quietly. It really appears that if Hillary goes down, those die-hard supporters, who are on the inside are perfectly willing to take the whole political game down with them, even if that means WWIII.

Us Pub supporters are used to this, and is so last decade type shenanigans. As one who has previously been a proud non-voter, I recognize this is not really about the upcoming election. It's about maintaining support to a status quo that seeks to manipulate at every turn and literally doesn't genuinely concern itself with small time players (those who are donating less than $100K, or fully willing to volunteer their time, and soul, to the cause of maintaining THAT status quo).

It really doesn't matter who wins U.S. elections at this point, and if history is any guide, the supporters of whichever party does not have a person holding the executive branch, certainly does appear to hold more influence. Country was clearly in mode of being anti-Bush and anything he put forth while he was office; likewise with Obama in office, the country has pushed (very hard) on things Obama has been against since day 1. Rising gun sales, anyone? With these two particular candidates, sure there will be hallelujah moments in November that probably carries over until early 2017, after that, I imagine the 70% of the population that despises either of these two candidates will rise up and maintain a strong resistance to whatever 'status quo' the new party, and its propagandists want us to believe is how things will work going forward.

HRC's only saving grace right now is plausible deniability (as in she's not really connected with the DNC and their dealings). I really hope DNC leaks round 2 take that away from her. But when that happens, I'm sure Hillary supporters will blame someone for daring to conspire against her.

I think I've seen, in other areas of this forum, more evidence for a physically existing deity, than I have for what Hillary supporters are asking us to take as 'fact.'
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
BTW, just a reminder about the "brave" talk from the Pub chicken-hawks in Congress and elsewhere. They criticize Obama by saying that this administration about not going after ISIS, and yet both Boehner and Ryan refuse to have an up or down vote on declaring war on ISIS, nor do they enunciate any particular action that should be taken, including how many American troops on the ground they would want. But the gullible groupies still eat it all up anyway.
"Chicken hawk" is an ironic accusation, given that you support a war monger whose entire immediate
family (except her father) has been exempt from taking part....except for ordering others to do it.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
What concerns me is the possibility that Hillary's feud with the
Russians could exacerbate the cold war. Remember that it
almost became a real war when a Soviet sensor malfunction
nearly triggered a counter-attack to an error. We need cooler
heads in office.

"Chicken hawk" is an ironic accusation, given that you support a war monger whose entire immediate
family (except her father) has been exempt from taking part....except for ordering others to do it.
Is this Bizarro World? Since when does Trump have anything like a "cool head"? He's a blustering, thin skinned bully with a hair-trigger temper and is just fine with nuclear proliferation and abandoning our allies. He has also insulted veterans such as John McCain while Trump was basically a rich boy draft dodger, and not for any principled reason, either.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
iIs this Bizarro World? Since when does Trump have anything like a "cool head"? He's a blustering, thin skinned bully with a hair-trigger temper and is just fine with nuclear proliferation and abandoning our allies.
I never said that he was one of the "cooler heads", only that we need them.
I favored Bernie as the best anti-war candidate.
He has also insulted veterans such as John McCain while Trump was basically a rich boy draft dodger, and not for any principled reason, either.
I disliked McCain too.
I aspire to be rich again.
And I was a draft dodger.
To dodge a deadly time share version of slavery is inherently principled.
So those criticisms don't worry me.
So the irony of calling Republicans "chicken hawks" by one who supports Hilda still stands.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Is this Bizarro World? Since when does Trump have anything like a "cool head"? He's a blustering, thin skinned bully with a hair-trigger temper and is just fine with nuclear proliferation and abandoning our allies. He has also insulted veterans such as John McCain while Trump was basically a rich boy draft dodger, and not for any principled reason, either.
I think you're being overly kind to him. I'm 71 years "young", and I have never seen a person of his "caliber" running as a Dem or Pub before, so I hope they broke the mold when whomever made Trump.

This could be one helluva Frankenstein movie in the making.
 
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