paarsurrey
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If G-d YVWH could talk to Moses, why He could not talk to others? Please
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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah
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Tumah
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He could talk to a lot of people. We just expect Him to be consistent, since He said He is unchanging.
paarsurrey
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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah
The Holy Quran : Chapter 68: Al-Qalam [4]
[68:31]Then some of them turned to the others, reproaching one another.
[68:32]They said, ‘Woe to us! We were indeed rebelliousagainst God.
[68:33]‘Maybe our Lord will give us insteadabettergardenthan this; we do humbly entreat our Lord.’
[68:34]Such is the punishmentof this world. And surely the punishment of the Hereafter is greater. Did they but know!
[68:35]For the righteous, indeed, there are Gardens of Bliss with their Lord.
[68:36]Shall We then treat those who submitto UsasWe treatthe guilty?
[68:37]What is the matter with you? How judge ye!
[68:38]Have you a Book wherein you read,
[68:39]That you shall surely have in it whatever you choose?
[68:40]Or have you any covenant binding on Us till the Day of Resurrection that you shall surely have all that you order?
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=68&verse=31
Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.
In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.
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The Holy Quran : Chapter 68: Al-Qalam [4]
[68:31]Then some of them turned to the others, reproaching one another.
[68:32]They said, ‘Woe to us! We were indeed rebelliousagainst God.
[68:33]‘Maybe our Lord will give us insteadabettergardenthan this; we do humbly entreat our Lord.’
[68:34]Such is the punishmentof this world. And surely the punishment of the Hereafter is greater. Did they but know!
[68:35]For the righteous, indeed, there are Gardens of Bliss with their Lord.
[68:36]Shall We then treat those who submitto UsasWe treatthe guilty?
[68:37]What is the matter with you? How judge ye!
[68:38]Have you a Book wherein you read,
[68:39]That you shall surely have in it whatever you choose?
[68:40]Or have you any covenant binding on Us till the Day of Resurrection that you shall surely have all that you order?
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=68&verse=31
Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.
In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Did YVWH change when He talked to Moses?
Wasn't YVWH consistent when He talked to Moses?
YVWH was Consistent when he talked to Jesus. Wasn't He?
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Tumah
Veteran Member
Yes.
He never spoke to Jesus. Jesus was a sinner. Which doesn't necessarily go hand in hand. But still true.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Agnosticism, as you define it, doesn't require convincing or arguments. It merely requires prudence, noticing lack of verifiable evidence supporting religious beliefs.
RabbiO
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The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
So the best argument you can come up with is 'The Quran may be plagiarised from parts of the Bible & Torah, but parts of the Torah are also plagiarised so that makes it okay!' ?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I never said that. Did I?
Please quote from me.
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Please quote from me.
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Tumah
Veteran Member
If that was his argument, then he needs to rename his thread.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
It's what you seem to be implying when you start claiming that other religion's holy books are plagiarised.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Why should one hide one's face? Nobody can stop YVWH from talking.YVWH? -
"YVWH was Consistent when he talked to Jesus. Wasn't He?" -
If YVWH could talk with Moses, why couldn't He talk with Jesus? or earlier with Zoroaster? or still earlier with Krishna? or with Buddha?
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The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
It wouldn't be the first time he's moved the goalposts.
Tumah
Veteran Member
Well, at least he's consistent.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
rosends
Well-Known Member
And when he talked to me telling me that you are wrong. That should solve it.
Tumah
Veteran Member
Even though no one ever saw you get prophecy. If you write a book about it with nice prose, I will believe in you and immediately change my religions to rosendsish (maybe by then you'll have changed your name to Rad. Then I can be a Radish.)
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
My question for the OP is if they think it would somehow devalue the Quran if it did copy from the Bible? Somehow make it less true? Doesn't the Quran claim the Bible is the divine revelation of Allah too? All religious traditions borrow. Borrowing and exchanging ideas is as human as it gets.
RabbiO
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Apparently you do not recognize a face palm emoticon when you see one nor do you understand its purpose.
It expresses frustration and/or exasperation over some matter, and for some reason, such as when someone posts something - such as your post to which I responded - so unbelievably obtuse that words fail when one tries to convey the disbelief that anyone would have posted the nonsense that was responded to.
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Quran respects Torah:
[5:42]O Messenger! let not those grieve thee who hastily fall into disbelief — those who say with their mouths, ‘We believe,’ but their hearts believe not. And among the Jewstooare those who would fondly listen toanylie — who listen forconveying it toanother people who have not come to thee. They pervert words after their being put in theirrightplaces, and say, ‘If you are given this, then accept it, but if you are not given this, then beware!’ And as for him whom Allah desires to try, thou shalt not avail him aught against Allah. These are they whose hearts Allah has not been pleased to purify; they shall have disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter they shall have a severe punishment.
[5:43]They are habitual listeners to falsehood, devourers of things forbidden. If, then, they come to theefor judgment, judge between them or turn aside from them. And if thou turn aside from them, they cannot harm thee at all. And if thou judge, judge between them with justice. Surely, Allah loves those who are just.
[5:44]And how will they make theetheirjudge when they have with them the Torah, wherein is Allah’s judgment? Yet, in spite of that they turn their backs; and certainly they will not believe.
[5:45]Surely, We sent down the Torah wherein was guidance and light. By it did the Prophets, who were obedientto Us, judge for the Jews, as did the godly people and those learnedin the Law; for they were required to preserve the Book of Allah, andbecausethey were guardians over it. Therefore fear not men but fear Me; and barter not My Signs for a paltry price. And whoso judges not by that which Allah has sent down, these it is who are the disbelievers.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=5&verse=44
Regards[5:43]They are habitual listeners to falsehood, devourers of things forbidden. If, then, they come to theefor judgment, judge between them or turn aside from them. And if thou turn aside from them, they cannot harm thee at all. And if thou judge, judge between them with justice. Surely, Allah loves those who are just.
[5:44]And how will they make theetheirjudge when they have with them the Torah, wherein is Allah’s judgment? Yet, in spite of that they turn their backs; and certainly they will not believe.
[5:45]Surely, We sent down the Torah wherein was guidance and light. By it did the Prophets, who were obedientto Us, judge for the Jews, as did the godly people and those learnedin the Law; for they were required to preserve the Book of Allah, andbecausethey were guardians over it. Therefore fear not men but fear Me; and barter not My Signs for a paltry price. And whoso judges not by that which Allah has sent down, these it is who are the disbelievers.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=5&verse=44