Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Let me ask. Why do some christians, especially on t.v. and movies, try to resolve and find historical proof of spiritual evidence through physical findings when it's based on belief and not facts?
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Is Religion Good or Bad?
- Thread starter Trip Bapho
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Let me ask. Why do some christians, especially on t.v. and movies, try to resolve and find historical proof of spiritual evidence through physical findings when it's based on belief and not facts?
Historically speaking, you don't seem to know how it works. I've never heard of a religion ending because of a failed prediction, and I challenge you to find an exception.
Trip Bapho
Member
But you know how it works? Wow I wish I had your knowledge. Super jelly.
It would be nice if you weren't making it up like you read it in a History book. All I ask for is an example to support your conclusion.
Trip Bapho
Member
IMO: The thought people will still believe in like a Jesus in 100,000 years seems ignorant to me. Glad you disagree. Maybe I'm the ignorant one.. Oh well. Nice chatting.
FirstandAmistad
Member
Humans have a natural tendency to be drawn towards spiritual beliefs and practices, and I don't think that we'll ever see human society without religion. Whether that's a good or bad thing is certainly up for debate. I know it's overplayed, but I do think that there's something to be said for spirituality vs religion. Religion usually points towards organized religion: doctrines, rites, taboos, etc. Spirituality is more an individual's personal, introspective experiences. Spirituality is always an aspect of religion, but religion is not always an aspect of spirituality. I believe that a personal spirituality can be very helpful for helping one to look inward and consider the universe around them in different ways, and can also help one to see that we are all connected beings that should be kinder to each other. Community and support are good aspects of religion. Deeply-held dogmas and organized endorsements of hateful thoughts and behaviors are negative aspects of religion.
Overall, I think we'd be a more interconnected, peaceful, and loving species without religion. But I have a lot of personal bias in that answer and there are way too many variables to really know if that would be true. Religion isn't going anywhere and it's not necessarily good or bad, and does a lot of both in the world. Things are very rarely black and white.
Overall, I think we'd be a more interconnected, peaceful, and loving species without religion. But I have a lot of personal bias in that answer and there are way too many variables to really know if that would be true. Religion isn't going anywhere and it's not necessarily good or bad, and does a lot of both in the world. Things are very rarely black and white.
Pretty much this.
One might as well ask if humans are good or bad. It's very nearly the same question, considering all humans have religion (whether it is called such or not). Everybody tells narratives - sacred stories or things they consider truths - that orient them within the world and are an articulation of their personal or cultural values. Everyone engages with these narratives through action in some way or another, often through community or fellowship. It doesn't even matter if it is good or bad. It is simply a universal part of being human. We cannot help but to tell stories and engage with them in our communities.
ajay0
Well-Known Member
Fire can be used for cooking food or for committing arson.
A knife can be used for cutting vegetables or for committing murder.
So you can see that it is the state of consciousness that matters.
As an ancient egyptian proverb goes, " The key to all problems is the problem of consciousness."
Awareness/Mindfulness or total love helps to bring about a higher state of consciousness that ensures the proper, positive use of everything. On the other hand,untamed desires and fears will bring about a lower state of consciousness that brings about an improper and negative use of everything.
A knife can be used for cutting vegetables or for committing murder.
So you can see that it is the state of consciousness that matters.
As an ancient egyptian proverb goes, " The key to all problems is the problem of consciousness."
Awareness/Mindfulness or total love helps to bring about a higher state of consciousness that ensures the proper, positive use of everything. On the other hand,untamed desires and fears will bring about a lower state of consciousness that brings about an improper and negative use of everything.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
Lack of education, ignorance, and extremism makes religion bad. Also, your fiancé's grandfather is wrong in Islam the end of the world comes after the battle with the anti-Christ when Jesus returns something both Muslims and Christians agree on.
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Trip Bapho
Member
I'd tell em but he's actually dead. & IMO ignorance is to defend religion.
Trip Bapho
Member
I should have put he believed.. My bad.
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
It does both of those things. Pretty much nothing is entirely good or entirely bad (well, there is fruit cake)
The larges question is that if our beliefs inform our actions, should we be willing to hold unjustified beliefs?
GoodbyeDave
Well-Known Member
You pick the two most intolerant religions, Christianity and Islam. Then you pick the most intolerant branch of Islam and (quite probably, being Texas) a particularly intolerant branch of Christianity. Is it surprising that your experience of religion is one of intolerance?
Trip Bapho
Member
Obviously the extreme measures is why I made the point. Regardless of my experience they are real beliefs held by numerous people.
Trip Bapho
Member
Couldn't agree more!
GoodbyeDave
Well-Known Member
But it is a bit like quoting Stalin and Hitler and asking whether that proves that politics is evil!
Trip Bapho
Member
Not its not. Any Christian thinks Muslims are wrong. Any Muslim thinks Christians are wrong. That's separation. Love & Unity for all of mankind should be goal. Not debating if a guy fit a bunch of animals on a boat and such.
To use an example of particular significance for Americans, Scientology.
But also Heaven's Gate. Aum Shinrikyo. Rajneesh's Oregon Comune. Kardecist Spiritism. Islaam. Prosperity Theology.