Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
How can someone be evil for hating god and Christianity if their hate does not harm themselves, to others, and it doesn't make them spiritually ignorant or stupid?
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Is religion making us all stupid ?
- Thread starter psychoslice
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How can someone be evil for hating god and Christianity if their hate does not harm themselves, to others, and it doesn't make them spiritually ignorant or stupid?
There are gods with a lower-case 'g' but only one capitalized; God/Brahman.
'The thousand gods are just my thousand faces.'
Maybe the original question should be does hate make people stupid? I think it probably does but it would be a hard question to answer from a purely scientific view point.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Maybe. I wish there was a "shrug" icon at the bottom. /Shrugs/
Hate harms the hater
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I hate, I don't know, my friend's religion. Her religion makes her who she is. I respect her but not her religion. She understands this and we have a mutual accord that I will not speak against her religion even though she speaks against mine. It's not verbal hate. It's not something that hurts her to where our friendship breaks. It's showing your feelings towards someone or something (which is natural) without intent and means of acting on how you deeply feel about something.
If hate does not harm myself, others, and it doesn't keep me from taking care of myself properly, how am I considered evil?
Take a step further. To those who do hate (natural feeling of dislike against someone or something) and acts on it, how is his heart evil rather than his actions? How is his heart defined by his crime or action (not hate which is n emotion not an action)?
How do you know Brahman is a God? Is a god really a god?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
People translate "I hate her" as something negative against someone when it's just expressing your feelings on something opposed to what you may disagree with or that conflicts with your morals. If you said, "I hate her; she is a terrible woman" to that person's face that action not emotion is considered immoral to some people and wrong to others. Yet, just plain hate just as love and just as fear are all natural emotions.
It's how you express these emotions makes one immoral and other not. It's a simple theraputic view of how we try to define ourselves and others and even our morals based on emotions that come and go. We also see ourselves as "sin" and others as "sinners" because of it. It's a passive depression and very deep seeded. Even in those who are not christian, that "they are evil" or "this world is a mess" do not take into account they are a part of that world. They just considered themselves evil as well.
If we see these thoughts and views as healthy without acting on it in an unhealthy manner, then we have better outlets of expressing our emotions without hate being associated with evil. It prevents people from expressing their emotions which should be their right to express.
A silent oppressor.
That's why they invented the punching bag.
It's how you express these emotions makes one immoral and other not. It's a simple theraputic view of how we try to define ourselves and others and even our morals based on emotions that come and go. We also see ourselves as "sin" and others as "sinners" because of it. It's a passive depression and very deep seeded. Even in those who are not christian, that "they are evil" or "this world is a mess" do not take into account they are a part of that world. They just considered themselves evil as well.
If we see these thoughts and views as healthy without acting on it in an unhealthy manner, then we have better outlets of expressing our emotions without hate being associated with evil. It prevents people from expressing their emotions which should be their right to express.
A silent oppressor.
That's why they invented the punching bag.
I gave my opinion. Nothing I have said and nothing you have said can be proved.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
We can share opinions but I am more for learning not just sharing things that I do on a regular basis. What's the point on RF if we just stop at opinions and not learn anything from them?
Why does hate hurt others?
Think about it. Hate is a natural emotion. If we have hate for someone or something, to relieve that emotion you may feel is bothering you, maybe talk to someone about it. Get a punching bag. Talk to god. It's not evil. It's not a sin. Sins are actions or trangressions against god. Thinking of hate (or abuse etc) are thinking of the intent to act against god.
Sin is not thinking of bad things based on emotions that can be settled in prayer or so forth. It goes beyond that. Sin is something that you do not something you feel or think that comes and goes unless it's eating you up inside.
However, to those who are in touch with their emotions, they recognize the hate, channel it in a healthy manner, and use it to learn from it.
Why does Christianity see things so negatively?
IMO true hate is not a natural emotion.
Not true. Hate is hate. Hate is evil.
Not true, but I get you point.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
From a scientific view, it's just a natural emotion of distaste for someone's actions, character, event, or so have you. Why do we expect ourselves to be positive all the time. It's not evil. It's how you manage your emotions is the key. Get a punching bag. That'll do it.
Segev Moran
Well-Known Member
I Guess it depends on what you mean when you say Stupid.
If you mean less educated scientifically, then yes, It appears that most theists are less knowledgeable when it comes to science.
I Think that religion makes you unaware.
And it is more dangerous in a sense than being stupid.
When you are unaware how our world really works, You disregard things that might eventually determine whether or not we will survive as a species.
I Know many religious people who are brilliant, and many that are dumb as hell.
I Also know Atheists that are brilliant and atheists who are dumb as hell.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
This is just my opinion not a rebuttal; but I always thought that hate was unhealthy until I now recently.
I go to a therapist for depression. He says that depression can be hate turned inside out. So as I am doing art therapy, I am getting my natural emotions out-hate, love, fear, sorry, depression-in an expressive manner. These emotions (neutral) affect me negatively not the emotions are negative. The emotions aren't anything unless they affect the person that's when we start giving medication and curing.
Another therapist years ago told me that people with schizophrenia, those who hear voices, are not unhealthy. They truly hear voices. It's not bad. It's not evil. It becomes "evil" (or unhealthy, he says) when these voices tell this person to act on things that may harm himself, others, or prevent him from taking care of himself properly.
Outside of that, it depends on how that person sees himself. If he feels his hate etc is evil, so be. I just find that if we channel these natural emotions in a healthy way, we'd view hate as a tool not a demon. "I hate her" wait, no "I dislike what she did and I have raw feelings against it." Instead of internalizing it as sin, let me go get a punching bag and forgive her.
Hate turned into love isn't a sin.
My question again is, how does christianity see things so negatively? How is hate a sin if not acted upon and taken care of in a healthy manner? Do you just oppress it and hope it goes away?
I use the word 'God' when speaking to an audience that thinks in term of Abrahamic dual concepts and is not likely to be familiar with the word 'Brahman'. In Advaita non-dual (God and creation are not-two) philosophy Brahman is pure Consciousness and the universe is a play/drama of Consciousness/Brahman. Brahman Alone is Real.
1robin
Christian/Baptist
Almost 80% of Nobel Laureates have been Christians, and many of the rest have been Jewish. So no religion does not make anyone stupid, and the question it's self makes no sense.
dust1n
Zindīq
I think the internet is making us all stupid. I think we are making ourselves stupid. And progressively, many of societies' institutions are failing at the task at hand.
The relationship between intelligence (ie, the ability to learn & apply) & religion is complex.
Not all people become enfeebled, depending upon the individual & the particular mythology.
Note:
I only made the post because of the opportunity to use the word, "enfeeble".
I'm compelled to trot it out at least once a year.
Not all people become enfeebled, depending upon the individual & the particular mythology.
Note:
I only made the post because of the opportunity to use the word, "enfeeble".
I'm compelled to trot it out at least once a year.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Some maybe ?.Some people choose to take the simple path, and miss out on the complexities, that isn't the religions fault; most of them are highly complex, and take vast study.