Is Richard Dawkin's view that the human eye was designed by an idiot really science ?

[Demonslayer]

Maybe we should have wings too huh?

Maybe we should but that's not the point.

The point is, if birds wings failed to function properly for 40% of birds, wouldn't you say those birds wings were a pretty lousy design? Wouldn't you say if approximately half way through a bird's life, the wings deteriorated to that point that they required some sort of bird-made device for them to work properly, that the wings were quite far from perfectly designed?

 

[jeager106]

Maybe we should but that's not the point.

The point is, if birds wings failed to function properly for 40% of birds, wouldn't you say those birds wings were a pretty lousy design? Wouldn't you say if approximately half way through a bird's life, the wings deteriorated to that point that they required some sort of bird-made device for them to work properly, that the wings were quite far from perfectly designed?

How did we get from the human eye to birds wings?

 

[ScottySatan]

Presumably prior to the Big Bust the universe was smaller than a pin head.

On the other hand, I know some scientists who become pinheads every time they see a big bust.

 

[jeager106]

On the other hand, I know some scientists who become pinheads every time they see a big bust.

Bawwwwww-hawwwwwww.
R O T F L M A O

I have two science degrees and that happens me also!

 

[viole]

Thanks. I'm a little self conscious about my weird feet, but I have a nicely shaped head and nice eyes.

Well, you don't need to walk. You can roll.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Demonslayer]

How did we get from the human eye to birds wings?

Kent's post #117

 

[Kent856]

The point is, if birds wings failed to function properly for 40% of birds, wouldn't you say those birds wings were a pretty lousy design?

Yes, definitely. My belief incorporates sin and in turn death, which is a gradual process of aging and deterioration of the body.

Also, my post wasn't really to address the subject, rather just point out that simply wanting more is a bit of power fantasy on our part.

 

[jeager106]

I read three pages and then gave up so I won't get deep on the subject but...

Come on peeps... Really? Maybe we should have wings too huh? How come we can't fly but birds can how come we cant breath fire, that would be super useful! Oh i know! If I was God I would've made it so humans could use photosynthesis for a nice energy boost.
Why is it that we can't breath underwater either...
Thats a serious design flaw :/

OK you get the picture

We build aircraft and fly.
We make equipment to breath under water with.
Man learned to make fire long, long, ago.
Man invented agriculture.
Mankind has a superior brain compared to other primates.
Man has intellect and learns.
Man is just beginning to awaken world wide that this planet is being destroyed by
man and man must clean it up and man IS.
One day man will travel to the stars IF we don't destroy ourselves.
Really. Comparing human capabilities to flora and fauna is a bit sophomoric isn't it?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If I was God I would've made it so humans could use photosynthesis for a nice energy boost.

It would have made us more benevolent and eco-friendly.

Come on peeps... Really? Maybe we should have wings too huh? How come we can't fly but birds can how come we cant breath fire, that would be super useful! Oh i know! If I was God I would've made it so humans could use photosynthesis for a nice energy boost.
Why is it that we can't breath underwater either...
Thats a serious design flaw :/

The answer is simple: evolution.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Would a view that 'the human eye was designed by an idiot' be more of a heart view than an impartial and dispassionate conclusion of the scientific method ?

Of course octopus have photo receptors facing out but they won't get burnt out by UV as they are protected by water.

No, it's not science, it's an argument against creationism.

 

[Demonslayer]

Yes, definitely. My belief incorporates sin and in turn death, which is a gradual process of aging and deterioration of the body.

Fair enough, I can accept reading glasses as a result of the natural deterioration process. But it still doesn't address myopia in 40% of all human eyes.

Also, my post wasn't really to address the subject, rather just point out that simply wanting more is a bit of power fantasy on our part.

I don't want more. I can accept that our bodies aren't perfect, our organs fail or fail to develop properly, that our reproductive process regularly results in miscarriage, stillbirth and horrible, agonizing deformities, etc. But that's because I accept that our physiology developed over time through natural, imperfect processes and is still evolving.

What I can't accept is looking at how flawed something like the eye is, and hearing people claim that it's so amazing it couldn't have developed through natural selection, and that some UberDesigner must have concocted it. The whole point of the OP was if there was really an All-Powerful designer that had no limitations on what he could design, he must be an idiot to have made the human eye with all it's flaws. Carry that to any other example like putting the urethra through the prostate or having about 20% of all birth end with the baby dying inside the mother.

 

[Zosimus]

Didn't you make this same exact statement yesterday? It didn't make any sense then either.

If I was God making a car, why would I make it reliant on a non-renewable fuel source? I'd make it run on air or solar.

Neither air nor solar are renewable fuel sources.

You think if the most powerful being in the universe made a power source for a vehicle, it would be the internal combustion engine?

I don't see what this has to do with the design of the eye. You don't like the internal combustion engine. I get it.

Cars that run on gas are absolutely flawed, compared to better designs that we are already coming up with.

I cannot evaluate your statement because you haven't stated any specific design that you think is superior.

If we had a car that ran just as fast, with as much power and reliability as a gas engine, only it ran on sunlight and could function even on a cloudy day because we found a way to store tons of solar energy, wouldn't that be 100 times better?

Yeah. And if I sneezed gold, that would be awesome.

No pollution, no fuel cost, no stopping to refuel? If I had unlimited power I'd never design a gasoline powered engine.

So solar power doesn't produce pollution? Solar Energy isn't as green as you think it is.

You have to remember the concept here...we're talking about what GOD would design, or supposedly has designed. GOD, who supposedly can do anything he wants. People claim the human eye is so incredibly awesome, a super powerful being must have designed it somehow. But it's not that great, the human eye. The eye's purpose is to see, not pick up paperclips, and in 40% of cases, it doesn't see properly from a very young age. It also has a blind spot. It also wears out after 40 years or so, causing most people to need reading glasses.

You're presupposing God's purpose in this. It's something you cannot know. You might say, "If I were a millionaire, I'd drive an amazing car like the one James Bond has." Yet 61 percent of wealthy people drive normal cars.

Think about that for a second...almost every single person who lives into their 40's needs a human invention to make up for the fact that God's crappy eye can't see something that is right in front of our faces! We had to make up for God's poor design! He's ALL POWERFUL...he couldn't make an eye that lasts 80 years without going all blurry?

Yeah, and 100 percent of people need a spoon to eat their soup because God didn't design us with a spoon-shaped sixth digit. We're flawed. God must be imaginary.

 

[Demonslayer]

Neither air nor solar are renewable fuel sources.

Air isn't a fuel source at all, but if I were God I could certainly make a car that runs on it. You'll have to explain how solar isn't considered a renewable source.

You don't like the internal combustion engine. I get it.

I love the internal combustion engine, I'm a bit of a motorhead actually. The point is if I had unlimted power I could design a much better engine. The same way if I had unlimited power I could design a sight-organ that doesn't fail 40% of the time.

Yeah. And if I sneezed gold, that would be awesome.

Now you're just avoiding the point.

Let me ask you this...do you think the human eye is the best God could have designed?

 

[Zosimus]

Air isn't a fuel source at all, but if I were God I could certainly make a car that runs on it. You'll have to explain how solar isn't considered a renewable source.

Assuming that the sun is fusion powered, surely you must realize that at some point in the future the sun will run out of hydrogen to fuse.

I love the internal combustion engine, I'm a bit of a motorhead actually. The point is if I had unlimted power I could design a much better engine. The same way if I had unlimited power I could design a sight-organ that doesn't fail 40% of the time.

Not once have you addressed the studies that indicate that myopia is related to vitamin D deficiency.

Let me ask you this...do you think the human eye is the best God could have designed?

Of course not. The human eye should be prehensile. If I had unlimited power, I would make the eye a prehensile sex organ that would impregnate girls just by looking at them.

 

[Demonslayer]

Assuming that the sun is fusion powered, surely you must realize that at some point in the future the sun will run out of hydrogen to fuse.

LOL, OK you win, in 5 billion years solar energy will run out. Think we'll still have oil then?

Not once have you addressed the studies that indicate that myopia is related to vitamin D deficiency.

Yes I did, I posted a link to a study refuting the vitamin D link. I also explained that it didn't matter because if God was such a great designer he would have designed the eye to be immune to vitamin D deficiency.

I addressed it in two separate ways, actually.

Of course not. The human eye should be prehensile.

Now we're talking! See, you just improved on God's design. I'd start with zoom vision, but prehensile would be pretty cool too. As long as I could reel it in when I wanted to.

If I had unlimited power, I would make the eye a prehensile sex organ that would impregnate girls just by looking at them.

LOL! I don't know man, I spent half my life trying desperately NOT to impregnate women. This preggo-eye idea is not a design improvement in my mind.

But it's damn funny.

 

[Zosimus]

LOL, OK you win, in 5 billion years solar energy will run out. Think we'll still have oil then?

Yes. Oil supply and demand will be in equilibrium in 5 billion years at the market price.