Is Russia had right to afraid from West agenda? ?

[Godobeyer]

Hello all
I know this probably provoking some people subject.
But i think West won't listen to Russia until they used nuclear weapon in neutral allie country to NATO.
West support Ukraine to destroy Russia. Is not same condition Cuba and USA?
West destroy many allies of Russia such Iraq. Syria. Libya. Etc.
Is probably turn of Russia to destroy allies of West !!!?

 

[Rival]

Ukraine is hardly one of the West's biggest or most well-known allies.

 

[Nimos]

Hello all
I know this probably provoking some people subject.
But i think West won't listen to Russia until they used nuclear weapon in neutral allie country to NATO.
West support Ukraine to destroy Russia. Is not same condition Cuba and USA?
West destroy many allies of Russia such Iraq. Syria. Libya. Etc.
Is probably turn of Russia to destroy allies of West !!!?

The issue is, that Russia is not under any threat from the west, a buffer zone such as Ukraine makes hardly any difference in a world today when you can launch missiles half across the world or when planes can easily cover great distances. I mean the US launched stealth bombers from the US that flew all the way to Iraq to do missions.

They would cross nine time zones and travel 7,000 miles with a lethal package: 32,000 pounds of “smart” bombs to be dropped on targets in Iraq.

And the amount of troops that would be needed, were it even considered to invade Russia is absolutely insane. Russia would see this coming years away of time. Besides that EU and Russia as we know have been trading gas etc. for a long time, when Germany makes a deal with Russia of building a huge and very expensive gas line, clearly that is not an indication of them wanting to threaten or attack Russia, so instead of them keep assuming the worse they could benefit a lot more from working together with the west. This whole cold war thing is absolutely non sense in the modern day. And it is not only Russia's fault, its just as much EU and the US fault.

But still unjustified wars shouldn't be tolerated, no matter who does it.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Hello all
I know this probably provoking some people subject.
But i think West won't listen to Russia until they used nuclear weapon in neutral allie country to NATO.
West support Ukraine to destroy Russia. Is not same condition Cuba and USA?
West destroy many allies of Russia such Iraq. Syria. Libya. Etc.
Is probably turn of Russia to destroy allies of West !!!?

Russia has just the same right to exist as Ukraine. But Russia has no right to destroy Ukraine or any other country. Putin has lost it, he is a mad man

 

[Augustus]

Hello all
I know this probably provoking some people subject.
But i think West won't listen to Russia until they used nuclear weapon in neutral allie country to NATO.
West support Ukraine to destroy Russia. Is not same condition Cuba and USA?
West destroy many allies of Russia such Iraq. Syria. Libya. Etc.
Is probably turn of Russia to destroy allies of West !!!?

If I remember correctly you are from Algeria (sorry if mistaken).

Would you accept the following situation:

Algeria can never do what it wants, never make its own decisions, it can only do what makes France happy. If they do not do what makes France happy, then France gets to invade Algeria again and say it was your fault and you deserved it because Algeria only has a right to exist with the goodwill of France. Algeria doing what it wants is just poking the French cock(erel)

 

[exchemist]

Hello all
I know this probably provoking some people subject.
But i think West won't listen to Russia until they used nuclear weapon in neutral allie country to NATO.
West support Ukraine to destroy Russia. Is not same condition Cuba and USA?
West destroy many allies of Russia such Iraq. Syria. Libya. Etc.
Is probably turn of Russia to destroy allies of West !!!?

There is no agenda.

The West wanted to accept Russia as an ally, but Putin has decided instead to try to recapture the former territories of the USSR which decided, by themselves, that they wanted to be independent.

Ukraine is not trying to destroy Russia. It is trying to survive an unprovoked attack from Russia.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Hello all
I know this probably provoking some people subject.
But i think West won't listen to Russia until they used nuclear weapon in neutral allie country to NATO.
West support Ukraine to destroy Russia. Is not same condition Cuba and USA?
West destroy many allies of Russia such Iraq. Syria. Libya. Etc.
Is probably turn of Russia to destroy allies of West !!!?

I think its a scenario where everybody loses.

 

[Twilight Hue]

There is no agenda.

The West wanted to accept Russia as an ally, but Putin has decided instead to try to recapture the former territories of the USSR which decided, by themselves, that they wanted to be independent.

Ukraine is not trying to destroy Russia. It is trying to survive an unprovoked attack from Russia.

Wouldn't we be doing the same thing if roles were reversed?

 

[Estro Felino]

If I remember correctly you are from Algeria (sorry if mistaken).

Would you accept the following situation:

Algeria can never do what it wants, never make its own decisions, it can only do what makes France happy. If they do not do what makes France happy, then France gets to invade Algeria again and say it was your fault and you deserved it because Algeria only has a right to exist with the goodwill of France. Algeria doing what it wants is just poking the French cock(erel)

Do you think it is fair that the NATO destroyed one of the wealthiest countries in the Mediterranean (Libya)..and so far has done nothing to restore its ancient splendor?

It is custom that if you break something, you pay for it.

Is it because doublestandardism has been normalized?
Is it because the NATO is entitled to bring us destruction and turmoil...and still be considered holy, sinless, immaculate?

 

[Estro Felino]

One of the most skilled and brilliant socialists in history. Gaddafi, author of the Green Book.
50 years of peace in his country.


Then the NATO came (we came, we saw, he died) and war started...

 

[Augustus]

Do you think it is fair that the NATO destroyed one of the wealthiest countries in the Mediterranean (Libya)..and so far has done nothing to restore its ancient splendor?

It is custom that if you break something, you pay for it.

Is it because doublestandardism has been normalized?
Is it because the NATO is entitled to bring us destruction and turmoil...and be considered holy, sinless, immaculate?

Because NATO bombed Libya, then a democratic countries with no link to the war can't make its own decisions?

 

[Estro Felino]

Because NATO bombed Libya, then a democratic countries with no link to the war can't make its own decisions?

Absolutely not.
But the NATO cannot be considered credible, given what they have done in the 21st century.
That is the OP's point.

 

[Augustus]

Absolutely not.
But the NATO cannot be considered credible, given what they have done in the 21st century.
That is the OP's point.

Most of the former Soviet Bloc finds it credible...

 

[Aupmanyav]

West support Ukraine to destroy Russia. Is not same condition Cuba and USA?

Russia has its own concerns. Missiles placed near the border, do not give time to respond. Same as Cuban crisis.

.. a buffer zone such as Ukraine makes hardly any difference in a world today when you can launch missiles half across the world or when planes can easily cover great distances.

In that case what was the need to expand NATO?

Russia has just the same right to exist as Ukraine. But Russia has no right to destroy Ukraine or any other country. Putin has lost it, he is a mad man

I do not think you are right in dismissing Russian concerns. That does not help as you have seen in Ukraine crisis.

 

[Estro Felino]

Most of the former Soviet Bloc finds it credible...

I do not. And I live in a NATO country, so I am not influenced by what the mainstream media tell me.

The NATO who reproaches Russia is the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[exchemist]

Wouldn't we be doing the same thing if roles were reversed?

You mean, like attacking Ireland, to make it a vassal state of the UK by force? Not really, no, I don't think so. We tried that, once upon a time, and the result is it became determined to be independent.

 

[Stevicus]

Hello all
I know this probably provoking some people subject.
But i think West won't listen to Russia until they used nuclear weapon in neutral allie country to NATO.
West support Ukraine to destroy Russia. Is not same condition Cuba and USA?
West destroy many allies of Russia such Iraq. Syria. Libya. Etc.
Is probably turn of Russia to destroy allies of West !!!?

It could be comparable to that.

I think Russia is in a difficult position right now, and the best thing they can do right now is cease hostilities and withdraw from Ukraine. Go back to the negotiating table and see if a compromise can be worked out. The Russians might consider removing Putin and putting someone else in there. Putin is too much of a warmonger, and he's also gripped by the same war fever that's gripping the West. This situation could get out of control rather quickly.

I also agree that the US and the West could choose to act more responsibly. We go all over the world disturbing hornets' nests, and then complain about it when we get stung.

 

[Augustus]

I do not. And I live in a NATO country, so I am not influenced by what the mainstream media tell me.

The NATO who reproaches Russia is the pot calling the kettle black.

You are not NATO. You can reproach Russia and NATO if you like, or do you think Ukraine is not allowed to make its own decisions and must be subservient to Russia for ever and ever?

 

[Mock Turtle]

Russia has its own concerns. Missiles placed near the border, do not give time to respond. Same as Cuban crisis.

Is this actually true now? Given that so many missiles can be launched from submarines, and the USA has a rather large coastline. So what exactly is the difference between this scenario and having missiles on a bordering country?

 

[Augustus]

I do not think you are right in dismissing Russian concerns.

Why should Ukrainians exist solely to placate Russian concerns?

You wouldn't accept it from your country, so why demand it from others?